Observe Counselor Idealists: Diplomatic Contending

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Observe Counselor Idealists: Diplomatic Contending

Postby keirsey on Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:10 pm

Mohandas Gandhi, Queen Noor, and Jane Goodall are three examples of the Diplomatic Contenders.

Competitive Contending: “In this relationship the directee (in this case, the recipient of the advice—the applicant) and director (in this case, the Advisor) do the same thing, such that what the directee does intersects with what the director does. The Contender, in directing the course of action, confronts the directee....

Contending entails competition. Thus to contend with another's work one must hold one's ground, hang onto one's position, stick to one's intention, tend to one's business, stay the course, in a word, be tenacious. It is not so much that one is bent on overtaking or outdoing others, as it is having one's way. Contenders will have their way if at all possible.” Brains and Careers, page 137

Diplomatic Contending: an Oxymoron? No, observe the Contending of Gandhi.

one must hold one's ground, hang onto one's position, stick to one's intention, tend to one's business, stay the course, in a word, be tenacious

In observing these kinds of Idealists, Counselors or Advisors, one should notice the strength of conviction and long term devotion to the cause. One good example of these Counselor Idealists is Queen Noor.
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Queen Noor plays an active role in promoting international exchange and understanding of Arab and Muslim culture and politics, Arab-Western relations, and conflict prevention and recovery issues such as refugees, missing persons, poverty and disarmament. She has also helped found media programs to highlight these issues. Her conflict recovery and peacebuilding work over the past decade has focused on the Middle East, the Balkans, Central and Southeast Asia, Latin America and Africa.

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Jane Goodall is another example of a Counselor Idealist.
Dame Jane Goodall is an English UN Messenger of Peace, primatologist, ethologist, and anthropologist. She is well-known for her 45-year study of chimpanzee social and family interactions in Gombe Stream National Park, Tanzania, and for founding the Jane Goodall Institute.
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Re: Observe Counselor Idealists: Diplomatic Contending

Postby Ranson on Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:53 pm

keirsey wrote:Contending entails competition. Thus to contend with another's work one must hold one's ground, hang onto one's position, stick to one's intention, tend to one's business, stay the course, in a word, be tenacious. It is not so much that one is bent on overtaking or outdoing others, as it is having one's way. Contenders will have their way if at all possible.” Brains and Careers, page 137


That describes pretty well a family member of mine, which I don't get along with (curious). Do you think this type theoretically could be the first Idealist president?
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Re: Observe Counselor Idealists: Diplomatic Contending

Postby keirsey on Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:34 pm

Ranson wrote:That describes pretty well a family member of mine, which I don't get along with (curious). Do you think this type theoretically could be the first Idealist president?


Let us hope, if there an Idealist President, then it is a Counselor... On the otherhand, I suspect we would probably in worst shape than we are now to elect an Idealist, which is pretty unimaginable. Mikhail Gorbachev, a Teacher Idealist, was the last Soviet leader -- he brought about the demise of the Soviet Union.

John Kerry, I had figured was an Counselor Idealist..
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Re: Observe Counselor Idealists: Diplomatic Contending

Postby mkb32 on Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:41 pm

I'll buy Kerry as an Idealist.

What about his wife?
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Re: Observe Counselor Idealists: Diplomatic Contending

Postby Goodrum on Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:38 pm

I don't know, President MKB, Prime Minister Goodrum..I don't consider the thought of Be Leader+ Be idealist=lobotomy.

I'm not sure why the thought entertained is so threatening/entertaining (or foreign) to some people.

We love to play. We love to love. Millions of children are raised by idealists. When has a bit of diplomacy gone astray?

Hitler is often dragged up about healers, but that serves to remind us all we each have our demons in the closet. Don't forget how many people rallied and supported this leader. There is a saying ...I can't quite remember the way it goes, for one person making really poor/bad choices/decisions it takes a lot of others to sit back and allow it to go on. He wasn't just surrounded by healers.

Maybe the right person for leadership, who happens to be idealist, but aware of weakness and strengths that comes with that. And a bit of extra practiced grunt.

What we give ourselves self permission for in our own behaviour and thoughts. Diplomacy and cooperativeness are not dirty words. Self awareness and development and getting the right headspace. God knows I have lots of space in my head.

What if there is so no thing as the ideal temperament for leadership. So far we just statistics, so many guardians, so many artisans, so many rationals. Statistics are always subject to interpretation anyway.
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Re: Observe Counselor Idealists: Diplomatic Contending

Postby keirsey on Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:09 pm

Goodrum wrote:What if there is so no thing as the ideal temperament for leadership.


My colleague, Edward Kim and I are writing a book on Leadership. The premise is (of course) there are different kinds of leaders -- hence leadership. We are using 16 examples (surprise surprise) of the different kinds of leaders. No one kind of leader is "better" -- just as Gandhi couldn't do what Churchill did, nor Churchill could not do what Gandhi did.
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Re: Observe Counselor Idealists: Diplomatic Contending

Postby keirsey on Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:25 pm

I have forgotten the details of Teresa Heinz, Kerry's wife (other than she is filthy rich). All I remember was that she was a loose cannon -- probably a Idealist but with only snippets of information about her, an assessment can only be a bald guess.
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