Be Water My Friend: Observe a Crafter Artisan

[keirsey]

Be water my friend. Adaptive. Flexible. But hard as concrete when necessary. In the moment.


Observe a brilliant Crafter Artisan

[Stig]

He was a very interesting man. This makes me think about Zen-buddhism as a Artisan(Crafter) religion/philosophy.
Also he reminds me about James Dean. Was he a Crafter or Composer. I'll guess Crafter. A blilliant one!

[mkb32]

Really, Really cool video Dave.

Stig that is sooo interesting to me that you brought up temperament regarding religions.

I took a World Religions class last semester.
It was deeelicious!
I had an excellent, excellent professor. I never found the opportunity to talk to him about temperament so I never asked him personally, but I have NO doubt about him being an Idealist & I really think Idealist Teacher.
It was one of my 1st classes and I learned a lot from him.
His has classes have a reputation for being a tough. (NOT easy)

Temperament preferences for religion became clear for me while studying the various facets of Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam.
But the more I studied, the easier it was to identify temperament preferences in religions.
The timeline we used started @ 7,500 B.C.E.

I'm dying to have a live conversation with someone regarding the combination of these two subjects.
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I'm with you on James Dean as Crafter.
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This also put me in the mind of a fellow student I met this past semester.
She was an interesting young woman. She was from Kentucky.
- Biology Major. An ROTC student.
- wanted to end up in Forestry somthinoranother. Wanted to work with & protect wild animals.
- Especially liked wild cats. e.g. lions, tigers, cougars.
- had a black belt in one of the martial arts.
- Physically strong, strong woman. And feminine at the same time. NOT a flashy dresser.
- Quiet. Didn't talk much when other people were around us. But full of amazing stories of action to protect her family & friends & animals during times of hardship.
- Told me that her father taught her to never start a fight but to always be prepared to finish one.
- Her facial expressions were similar to the video Dave posted. Intense. Could be scary looking if you didn't know her.
- She was more of a loner on campus. No sorority or clubs.
- Her drug of choice was Adventure/Romance books ... NOT a party girl ... said she liked to have control of herself.
- Said that the majority of her life, her best friends had been boys and because we were at a Women's College she missed "the rumble" of guys. She was referencing sound and movement when she said that.
- For some reason she identified me as one of her folks on campus. She stepped in to help me with organising my time & study habits.
- Not bossy or condescending. She just saw I needed help & showed me how to do it without my having to ask. It was obvious she did not require a lifetime of thankfulness for her actions. She just saw someone who needed help and she knew how to give it, so she did it.

Now that I think about it, we didn't even have a class together. We just met in the cafeteria.
Wonder how that happened!?!

[Stig]

I only have some scant knowledge, but it's a lot of interesting connections there. It just struck me some time ago the similarities of how sucessful sportsmen or women used to prepare for games and how they tried to empty their minds before and during the competition. Zen-buddhism was also a warrior-religion and peak-performance being crucible for surviving. So it somewhat fits. Regarding the religions I would say Buddhism could be an Idealist religion. Christianity, Judaism and Muhammedanism is mainly Guardian-like with a lot of rules. Hinduism is very complex so I wouldn't know.

She sounds like one of a kind. Do you think she is a Crafter?

[mkb32]

I can't say for sure because we never had a chance to have that conversation, but, the more I think about it, stig, I do think Crafter.

I will not forget her. Sometimes her facial expressions or body language could be scary lookin', BUT I always felt comfortable & safe & accepted in her presence. She did not require my undivided attention constantly. I can't really explain it.
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Yeah I agree with you full on about Christianity, Judaism and Mohammedanism being mainly Guardian-like with a lot of rules. Some sects clearly more so than other.

Buddhism is much more complex than I realised. It is interesting.
Different sects seem to show some strong temperament preferences.

Hinduism is extremely complex which was very interesting to me.

The subject of religions was very interesting to me because of the human values, coping and motivation systems involved.
I feel like I gained a lot of insight into one of my favorite questions, "Why?"

[fuzzynavelnot21]

Just a thought....from the description of that person you mentioned mkb, I thought she sounded like a Rational.

[mkb32]

Just a thought....from the description of that person you mentioned mkb, I thought she sounded like a Rational.

No way.
Now that I have finally been able to be in the pleasant company of people who are "abstract" thinkers -vs- "concrete" thinkers, I just know the difference right away. It's like day & night without dawn or dusk.

[ENFP123]

Excellent, I second what Bruce said, words of great wisdom.

[christina]

There are no words worthy of describing Bruce Lee---That dude was a God!


The topic of religions and temperaments is an interesting one.....and perhaps there'll be a chance to really discuss such a specialized issue within these forums. Unforunately, I really don't know enough about world religions to discuss such topics.


Mkb, I found alot of myself in that description of your college friend. If she really was an ISTP, it's good to know that there are others out there. I feel lost among men sometimes.

[mkb32]

Thank You, Christina for your comments!
I was hoping you would find this thread & let me know if what I had written sounded familiar to you.
I will keep fond memories of my friend.

Bruce Lee was awesome!
I followed a link through Dave's YouTube example that led to an interview with his daughter that was interesting to me.

***side note: sometimes my youngest son pretends that he is a "karate man". We call him "Bruce Wee".***

We do need to identify some Crafter women, don't we?
Now that you have confirmed that I might be able to identify one, I'm going to work on finding some more.

I like your new pic but I meant to tell you before that I have always been an an Ace Ventura fan.

Goodrum, meet me at the library, we must find some Crafter women!