THE PREMISE

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THE PREMISE

Postby davidwestkeirsey on Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:58 pm

The history of philosophy is to a great extent that of a certain clash of human temperaments. Undignified as such a treatment may seem to some of my colleagues, I shall have to take account of this clash and explain a good many of the divergences of philosophers by it. Of whatever temperament a professional philosopher is, he tries, when philosophizing, to sink the fact of his temperament. Temperament is no conventionally recognized reason, so he urges impersonal reasons only for his conclusions. Yet his temperament really gives him a stronger bias than any of his more strictly objective premises. It loads the evidence for him one way or the other, making for a more sentimental or hard-hearted view of the universe, just as this fact or that principle would. He trusts his temperament. Wanting a universe that suits it, he believes in any representation of the universe that does suit it. He feels men of opposite temper to be out of key with the world’s character, and in his heart considers them incompetent and ‘not in it,’ in the philosophic business even though they may far excel him in dialectical ability. -- William James


Like William James and his colleagues “in the philosophic business,” we “trust our temperament,” and “want a universe that suits it.” But also like his philosophic colleagues, when we interact with our colleagues, we try “to sink the fact” of our temperament. But, alas, and again like James’ colleagues, our temperament gives us “a stronger bias” than our “objective premises.” Yet more, we are prone to look upon those differing from us in being “of opposite temper” as “out of key.”

Though we may prefer to be seen as “objective” by pointing to “this fact or that principle” as our reason for pursuing a particular agenda, our temperament inexorably inclines us toward using particular methods to achieve particular results.
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Re: THE PREMISE

Postby Goodrum on Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:30 am

Yes, yes it does.
I would start with stripping down to what fundamentally informs my life, which is that I'm a seeker on the path...where I stand spiritually is, steadfastly, on a path about love.. (Bell Hooks)
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Re: THE PREMISE

Postby Earl on Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:08 pm

That's not strong enough,
Our temperament is our conclusion,
The objective arguments merely it's face.
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Re: THE PREMISE

Postby fuzzynavelnot21 on Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:56 pm

Earl, would you elaborate please?
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Re: THE PREMISE

Postby Architron on Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:47 pm

So would the solution then be to integrate Temperament Theory into ethical (among other types of) philosophy?

That would make plenty of room for those people that do not share your temper, and basically generate a well-rounded and better applied theory. However, it would seem that such a design would require compromise on the parts of all... but I think differently. I think that in the "philosophical business," if a theory were to be devised that attempted to incorporate Temperament, it would have to be done in such a way as to create niches for the specific roles to fill, rather than blend multiple perspectives together. Some sort of giant philosophical system of roles and niches that does not attempt to ignore the obvious and inevitable disagreements Mr. James pointed out, nor attempt to mash together often incompatible beliefs. No, the correct way to go about it is to realize that while mankind is essentially the same, there are fundamental differences between us (the tempers / temperament). So, stemming from all this, in making a balanced philosophical system, one must not only leave room for differing ways of thinking, but must specifically design the system such that it capitalizes on these differing ways.

Perhaps I'll do just that.
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Re: THE PREMISE

Postby Quinta on Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:10 pm

Or perhaps creating one model that allows for multiple perspectives. The reality we live in is threedimensional, and we look at it from different angles.

I agree with Architron that there must be a way to incorporate these different approaches and views of reality.
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Re: THE PREMISE

Postby Earl on Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:13 pm

Here's me expanding my thoughts....(ie here comes that crazy phyco babble again! :P )

What we think about the world is determined by a few factors, being, nurture, temperament, and experience. These are not separate things, they are interconnected in real and almost obvious ways. (In other words: Rationals, if I thought of this before you, I get bragging rights ;) )

In it's simplest form the logic is this: Two people of different temperaments going through the same nurture and experience will come to vastly different conclusions, and will therefore make different choices about it.

These choices then influence their environment (this at first includes their nurture) which throws up new choices, which are made based on the previous conclusions and temperament.
Therefore given a persons temperament, their family background and a few "turning points" in their lives it would be possible to dictate their views on any philosophical point.
Of course the accuracy required to do this would be all but impossible, not to mention the fact that everything in a persons life effects them in one way or another. This system is like rounding to the nearest 1,000,000,000 in math and expecting a accurate number. ;)
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Re: THE PREMISE

Postby Quinta on Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:43 pm

At least, using the word "psychobabble" points towards self ironical idealists, or if it's said seriously, it probably says that the person who says it has a concrete mind. I find that "psychobabble" can be interesting and very much to the point.

Architron, I hope you will elaborate.
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Re: THE PREMISE

Postby fuzzynavelnot21 on Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:31 am

Well, just to clarify on the 'psycho babble' term... I think Jeffster, our Composer Artisan, first used the term. And Shay has since put it in her signature. I was quoting from that.
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Re: THE PREMISE

Postby Architron on Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:24 pm

Dear Quinta,

I have a present for you. Here it is.

Disclaimer: Not official. Merely some of my brain juice in a cup.
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