Addictions

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Re: Addictions

Postby danny1987 on Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:37 pm

stellarrenegade wrote:
danny1987 wrote:I often get into obsessive analysis. I keep going over and over something in my mind and I can't get it out. A lot of times I don't mind cause I keep trying to understand the issue, but sometimes it can be overbearing when I want to move on to something else and I can't even if I've analyzed it to death and have a firm grasp of the idea.

Wow, that's hella focus. I usually can't keep my mind on an idea for the life of me. It slips away as fast as it came. Sometimes I'm still intent on chasing it down and get frustrated. I should just learn to let it go. :| :lol:


When I was "diagnosed" with "ADD", it was apparently because I couldn't focus on what I was supposed to because I was so focused on something else.
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Re: Addictions

Postby charliebrown on Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:19 pm

danny1987 wrote:I often get into obsessive analysis. I keep going over and over something in my mind and I can't get it out. A lot of times I don't mind cause I keep trying to understand the issue, but sometimes it can be overbearing when I want to move on to something else and I can't even if I've analyzed it to death and have a firm grasp of the idea.


Isn't that called 'thinking' :P :SP:
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Re: Addictions

Postby april on Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:15 pm

danny1987 wrote:I often get into obsessive analysis. I keep going over and over something in my mind and I can't get it out. A lot of times I don't mind cause I keep trying to understand the issue, but sometimes it can be overbearing when I want to move on to something else and I can't even if I've analyzed it to death and have a firm grasp of the idea.

Same thing happens to me. Overanalysis.
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Re: Addictions

Postby Cerebro93 on Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:21 am

I think any Temperament can be susceptible to addiction. Of course, we could say the Artisans are the most hedonic, and therefore most likely to have addictions, but I don't know how strong that argument is. I think the Artisans would be most likely to first use a substance, just for the fun of it, but I don't think addiction would be too common, to be honest. I figure an Artisan would get bored after a little while.
A Guardian I assume would be most likely to get into stimulants, especially due to their melancholy nature. I think Guardians would want to be able to "live" more, be more carefree, and stimulants such as cocaine or even caffeine would allow them to keep a smile on. Although the social stigma would be largely repulsive.
I think the Rationals could be quite susceptible to addictions, especially drugs. Something like that could allow them more insight, and also prove to the world, but more importantly to themselves, that they are forever autonomous. And they would not care of the social stigma, and would use the drugs if they themselves deem its properties and effects useful for that which they wish to achieve.

I personally think (ironically enough) that Idealists could be at highest risk for addiction. This temperament is the most intense emotionally, and may get carried away, either in fear or excitement. I know many Champions can get caught up in the livelihood of parties, and I assume some would not hesitate to "just try it". Champions want to experience all the tastes that life has to offer, and a new experience would be incredibly attractive.
I know a few Healers, and two of them are VERY into psychedelic drugs. One even went so far as to get angry and insulting (he seemed personally offended) when I suggested that they are not the best way to achieve spiritual insight. Healers want deeper meaning, to understand that which is not visible through our senses, or our day-to-day thoughts. And the use of LSD and psilocybin reportedly induces such shamanic visions, which are all too tempting to the Healer. At least, this is what I find.
Teachers? I don't know any who use drugs, and most would not think of it, because it would set a bad example for others. But my Teacher sister, two years older than I, was not shy about getting drunk at parties, and told me she once took a puff of a cigarette. While she says she knows her limits, and that I need not worry, I still fear she's at risk of hurting herself. Teachers MUST take on leadership roles, even with all the stress involved. My theory is that Teacher's either wish to relieve their own stress and just try to enjoy themselves, or are presented with the opportunity and do not wish to offend those who have offered.

As a Counselor Idealist, I've been incredibly worried about potential addiction. I am naturally very sensitive. Whether it be my empathy (taking of the feelings of others around me) or merely my tendency to take what others say in a much more negative light (something that COULD be hurtful, I take it as hurtful, regardless of whether or not that was the intention of the speaker). With that, episodes of pseudo-depression and intense anxieties are not uncommon. My emotions are always incredibly intense, yet I try my best to keep a rational, composed demeanour when I am feeling so strongly emotional. (I've been accused of being very apathetic when I do not show my emotions, but I do this only when I am feeling so much that I fear offending that person.) These issues I regularly experience tempt me to seek escape - a form of numbness, serenity. For that reason, I fear that if I was to drink alcohol, smoke marijuana/tobacco, or use any other substance, that USE may quickly turn to ABUSE. If I was to loosen my inhibitions, I fear putting others in danger due to my own potential outbursts. The way I see it, I am (and possibly other Counselors are) susceptible to drug abuse as a means of escape. For that reason, I do not drink alcohol (and besides a sip at my father's request on my sixteenth birthday, never really have), nor do I use any other potentially addictive substance. The fear is too much.
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Re: Addictions

Postby Quinta on Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:58 pm

Insightful and interesting.

I know of at least one probable Healer, who fit your description. The attraction to secrets and the hidden, probably even being a strong force in a suicide.

So, life is a challenge, and it's tempting to find effective solutions, wherever they are. Effectiveness in the moment is not the same as long term fulfillment.

As for myself, I find that I sometimes resist change so much that I might get into repetitive actions, that absorb me, even though they come in the way for more scary development and achievement. Maybe that's some of the attraction in it.
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Re: Addictions

Postby RandomUser191 on Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:12 pm

nice post cerebro. interesting indeed.

i think you hit the temperaments well.

if you're really that worried about becoming addicted, don't worry. we all already are. internet, mobile phones, tv shows, music, coffein... and a 5470438059486 other things that we do not even notice anymore.

also, if you want to stay away from drugs, the solution is SELF DISCIPLINE! works for me.
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Re: Addictions

Postby Cerebro93 on Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:09 pm

RandomUser191 wrote:if you're really that worried about becoming addicted, don't worry. we all already are. internet, mobile phones, tv shows, music, coffein... and a 5470438059486 other things that we do not even notice anymore.

also, if you want to stay away from drugs, the solution is SELF DISCIPLINE! works for me.

Oh, absolutely. I refuse to drink alcohol, and I will never smoke anything or ingest anything illegal and/or dangerous. I do appreciate that advice and encouragement, Random, thank you.

Quinta wrote:So, life is a challenge, and it's tempting to find effective solutions, wherever they are. Effectiveness in the moment is not the same as long term fulfillment.

I could not agree more. Whether drugs, booze, sex, whatever it may be, these dangerous addictions can be only momentarily potent. Eventually, the thrill will fade. And one may keep going back, but to what end?
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Re: Addictions

Postby Goodrum on Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:25 am

Cerebro93 wrote:I think any Temperament can be susceptible to addiction. Of course, we could say the Artisans are the most hedonic, and therefore most likely to have addictions, but I don't know how strong that argument is. I think the Artisans would be most likely to first use a substance, just for the fun of it, but I don't think addiction would be too common, to be honest. I figure an Artisan would get bored after a little while.

Working in the medical/hospital/health system, I would say it has been heavily proprtioned toward Artisan temperament people battle with illicit drugs and alcohol problems. The reason behind commencing is just way to complicated, but the cost to society especially for affects on their bodies from alcohol, (let alond work/relationships/accidents/ injuries/fatalities etc) is considerable. Guardians re/ alcohol as well, not so much illicit drugs.

But don't forget also that at least a quarter of people over 65yo admitted to health facilities are usually in relation to side effects from 'prescribed medicines'.

Personal experience, dad a Composer Artisan drug and alcohol dependencies, ended up in his death, mother Provider Guardian, alcohol dependency. Aunties, Uncles, cousins, people known over years, I can only recall one being alcohol dependent an Inventor Rational, rest clearly artisans and Guardians, mostly alcohol problems, some of the Artisan drug users who started at teenage years ended up with brain damage and not being able to even hold down a job through hooch affecting them badly. Some of the other Artisans contaminated with Hep C from IV drug use, some died young OD'd or AID contaminated syringes (sharing).

I am a Healer, never been interested in experimenting with drugs, avoid them like plague, my mind is enough of a wonderland, never even tempted. Life and nature is my 'drug' of choice-and I have seen the affects of alcohol and drug use on family, friends, through my work to reinforce that lesson quite well. I do enjoy an occasional nice beer or wine. Talking, maybe 6 or 7 beers or wines a year?

I know 3 other Healers, one a medic, he doesn't partake in drugs or alcohol, never known him to even taste alcohol, same with female Healer she is a farmer, maybe a few wines a year, and my ex boss the Healer did used to have a drink, I don't know about what medication she was on, but she was under a lot of stress and became rather anorexic. Drugs or alcohol were not her problem I'm afraid.


A Guardian I assume would be most likely to get into stimulants, especially due to their melancholy nature. I think Guardians would want to be able to "live" more, be more carefree, and stimulants such as cocaine or even caffeine would allow them to keep a smile on. Although the social stigma would be largely repulsive.


The more social Guardians love the family/friend/social/society gettogethers...that is their 'high'-from the young to the older ones...they 'generally' like to 'do the right thing' -yes, alcohol can become a problem with them, but apart from prescribed drugs...maybe an experiment with MJay...that's just what I've observed.

I think the Rationals could be quite susceptible to addictions, especially drugs. Something like that could allow them more insight, and also prove to the world, but more importantly to themselves, that they are forever autonomous. And they would not care of the social stigma, and would use the drugs if they themselves deem its properties and effects useful for that which they wish to achieve.

I personally think (ironically enough) that Idealists could be at highest risk for addiction. This temperament is the most intense emotionally, and may get carried away, either in fear or excitement. I know many Champions can get caught up in the livelihood of parties, and I assume some would not hesitate to "just try it". Champions want to experience all the tastes that life has to offer, and a new experience would be incredibly attractive.
I know a few Healers, and two of them are VERY into psychedelic drugs. One even went so far as to get angry and insulting (he seemed personally offended) when I suggested that they are not the best way to achieve spiritual insight. Healers want deeper meaning, to understand that which is not visible through our senses, or our day-to-day thoughts. And the use of LSD and psilocybin reportedly induces such shamanic visions, which are all too tempting to the Healer. At least, this is what I find.



Teachers? I don't know any who use drugs, and most would not think of it, because it would set a bad example for others. But my Teacher sister, two years older than I, was not shy about getting drunk at parties, and told me she once took a puff of a cigarette. While she says she knows her limits, and that I need not worry, I still fear she's at risk of hurting herself. Teachers MUST take on leadership roles, even with all the stress involved. My theory is that Teacher's either wish to relieve their own stress and just try to enjoy themselves, or are presented with the opportunity and do not wish to offend those who have offered.

As a Counselor Idealist, I've been incredibly worried about potential addiction. I am naturally very sensitive. Whether it be my empathy (taking of the feelings of others around me) or merely my tendency to take what others say in a much more negative light (something that COULD be hurtful, I take it as hurtful, regardless of whether or not that was the intention of the speaker). With that, episodes of pseudo-depression and intense anxieties are not uncommon. My emotions are always incredibly intense, yet I try my best to keep a rational, composed demeanour when I am feeling so strongly emotional. (I've been accused of being very apathetic when I do not show my emotions, but I do this only when I am feeling so much that I fear offending that person.) These issues I regularly experience tempt me to seek escape - a form of numbness, serenity. For that reason, I fear that if I was to drink alcohol, smoke marijuana/tobacco, or use any other substance, that USE may quickly turn to ABUSE. If I was to loosen my inhibitions, I fear putting others in danger due to my own potential outbursts. The way I see it, I am (and possibly other Counselors are) susceptible to drug abuse as a means of escape. For that reason, I do not drink alcohol (and besides a sip at my father's request on my sixteenth birthday, never really have), nor do I use any other potentially addictive substance. The fear is too much.
I would start with stripping down to what fundamentally informs my life, which is that I'm a seeker on the path...where I stand spiritually is, steadfastly, on a path about love.. (Bell Hooks)
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Re: Addictions

Postby Narnia51483 on Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:10 pm

I don't have time to copy and paste it all, but I definitely identify with your concerns about addiction, cerebro. There are sometimes in my life when I'd be drinking alone and I'd take a step back and realize that it would be so very, incredibly easy to just... succomb. That's when I stop having any alcohol for a while.
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