Into the Heart of Darkness: Bloodlands

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Into the Heart of Darkness: Bloodlands

Postby keirsey on Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:51 pm

I have just downloaded a copy of Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin.

Our history is both cursed and magnificent. -- Boris Yeltzin


“For over a decade in the middle of twentieth century, the lands between Russia and Germany were the killing fields of Europe. Tens of millions of civilians from Poland to Ukraine, Lithuania to Belarus were starved, beaten, shot and gassed to death by the authorities and armies of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. We think we know this story and we assign it shorthand labels: Auschwitz, the Gulag. But neither the concentration camps (which were mostly not death camps) nor the Soviet network of labor camps in Siberia (from which many survived) were representative of the worst crimes committed in these years. Jews were without question the supreme victim (and in the Nazi case, the dominant target); but there were many other victims with whom western readers are far less familiar. Without a better grasp of the scale and breadth of the suffering experienced in these lands, we cannot hope to appreciate the true impact of the twentieth century." -- part of a review by Tony Judt

I can't find to a reference to another book I read recently. I guess I was too busy (and without useful words) to note it the time. It also wasn't a light read.

Nothing to Envy: Ordinary Lives in North Korea

Nothing to Envy is about the history of North Korea, and the individual stories from some individuals who finally escaped North Korea's regime. Gripping and incredible.

Why read such depressing books? Well, it are important to know history of situations that were hidden. Darkness.

If we curse the past, if we blank it out of our memory as my father did, nothing will get better. -- Boris Yeltzin
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Re: Into the Heart of Darkness: Bloodlands

Postby Al3322 on Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:40 pm

The 20th and beginning of the 21st centuries have been horrendous as far as human caused death and suffering. This is an interesting website: Man made multicides

The death estimates from the big four are:
WWI – 15,000,000
WWII – 63,000,000
Stalin – 20,000,000
Mao – 40,000,000

Kind of makes our own several hundred thousand in the middle east seem paltry in comparison.
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Re: Into the Heart of Darkness: Bloodlands

Postby Goodrum on Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:22 pm

It interests me to try and understand the history, the setting of, the people ...people's stories, as well as helping me understand better, it's a sort validation of their memory, that they experienced this, no matter how difficult to hear or go back over. Just because I'm 60 or 600 years down the road doesn't mean it's not important to me. History is everything. Learn/Unlearn.
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