Aung San Suu Kyi

[mkb32]

>:Y!<

Taken from her speech that Michele posted.

It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it. Most Burmese are familiar with the four a-gati, the four kinds of corruption. Chanda-gati, corruption induced by desire, is deviation from the right path in pursuit of bribes or for the sake of those one loves. Dosa-gati is taking the wrong path to spite those against whom one bears ill will, and moga-gati is aberration due to ignorance. But perhaps the worst of the four is bhaya-gati, for not only does bhaya, fear, stifle and slowly destroy all sense of right and wrong, it so often lies at the root of the other three kinds of corruption.

A-gati = corruption

Chanda-gati = desire-corruption (Artisan)
Dosa-gati = harmony-corruption (Idealist)
Moga-gati = knowledge-corruption (Rational)
Bhaya-gati = safety-corruption (Guardian)

Does it make sense?

I see it, Dave. Makes sense to me.

renegademan, look again at what she says in the speech:

But perhaps the worst of the four is bhaya-gati, for not only does bhaya, fear, stifle and slowly destroy all sense of right and wrong, it so often lies at the root of the other three kinds of corruption.

Bhaya-gati = safety-corruption (Guardian)

Artisans are not always the bad guys.
You have wrtitten it yourself on this site: it is not unusual for Idealists to harbor resentment toward Guardians.
We see the big picture right/wrong values and become appalled/disgusted in the realisation that Guardians can overlook that in "following directions" and "mundane" details of daily existance. Damn Prometheus.

[mkb32]

the pattern of her actions speak of classic idealist traits. She does not speak of policy or any of the economic fundamentals in governing the country... but an overarching idealist rhetoric.

Her commitment to her country and cause for the sake of ideal and principle alone suggest idealist.

The fact that she hasn't seen her son in years and could have gone back to England to say goodbye to her husband who was dying of cancer... are like M.Ghandi's food strikes.

The religious conviction, passion, zealotry...

Her gentle and diplomatic nature...

I'm with you, cb. Know I want to claim this woman for Idealist.

But I want to base my opinion on KTT, not just my own "Feel" for her.

I get chocked on the concept of an Idealist actively pursuing Politics as a career. We like to discuss politics but naturally don't have the stomach to participate much.
But then again, I only have my perceptions based in American politics. --> I have no real experience with government oppression.

This woman is super intelligent and well educated.
Are we looking at a woman who has developed her four temperament intelligences?

She is very calm in the face of adversity. ---> But that could be the Buddhism influence.

[mkb32]

... San Suu Kyi graduated from Lady Shri Ram College in New Delhi with a degree in politics in 1964. Suu Kyi continued her education at St Hugh's College, Oxford, obtaining a B.A. degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics in 1969. After graduating, she lived in New York City with a family friend and worked at the United Nations for three years, primarily on budget matters Subsequently, she earned a Ph.D. at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London in 1985. She was elected an Honorary Fellow in 1990. For two years she was a Fellow at the Indian Institute of Advanced Studies (IIAS) in Shimla, India. She also worked for the government of the Union of Burma.

In 1972, Aung San Suu Kyi married Aris, a scholar of Tibetan culture, living abroad in Bhutan.The following year she gave birth to their first son, Alexander Aris, in London; their second son, Kim, was born in 1977.

Her husband and two sons accepted her Nobel Peace Prize in her absence.

Aris was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 1997 which was later found to be terminal. Despite appeals from prominent figures and organizations, including the United States, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and Pope John Paul II, the Burmese government would not grant Aris a visa, saying that they did not have the facilities to care for him, and instead urged Aung San Suu Kyi to leave the country to visit him. She was at that time temporarily free from house arrest but was unwilling to depart, fearing that she would be refused re-entry if she left, as she did not trust the military junta's assurance that she could return.

She wouldn't leave because she believes they won't let her back in the country.

[Goodrum]

Love it all.

Some earlier info, (Aung San Suu Kyi: Fearless Voice of Burma-by Whitney Stewart):

-Oh, there are no surnames by the way, so Aung San Suu Kyi is a name made up of family names, the Aung San for her father, (a great leader of Burma himself, 'Aung San' assinated when Suu Kyi was young), Suu from her grandmother, Kyi from her mother).
The Kyi stands for: "A bright collection of strange victories"...(aint that just so!)

Her father, (I wonder if he was a Promoter?), natural leader, very popular man, met his wife to be while in hospital, her no nonsense/sense of humor personality attracted and suited him...(Daw Khin Kyi a Guardian?) Very principled woman, instilled the memory of the children's father into them, not a great reader herself but made sure the children got to the library every fortnight, brought the children up to respect their elders, live a traditional Burmese life, values, modesty, hospitality, consideration, and generosity. Daw Khin Kyi passed onto the children, (one of Suu Kyi's brothers accidently drowned as a child, she said that loss affected her more than her father's murder, as she was only about 2yo), their obligations to Burma's social/moral values.

A family friend, Daw Than E comments upon her memory of Suu Kyi as a child:

Suu in my view, is an exemplar of what we Burmese regard as seemly, in matters of dress, comportment, conduct, and bearing in public and private.

I can't get the pic of her as a little girl up, she is incredibly, incredibly beautiful, but here is a family pic, Suu Kyi the baby:

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Hopefully this link will show a selected work of the book, page 29 Suu Kyi talks about her relationship with her mother, how Suu Kyi learnt to hold her emotions within, the cultural and personal rekationship her and her mum had, it's really interesting.

When she went to the UK to study at Oxford, it was something? and economics...better detail here:

When Suu Kyi was fifteen, her mother was appointed ambassador to India, where the young girl finished her schooling, continued her voracious reading, and became very interested in Gandhian principles and practice.

In 1964 she left New Delhi for Oxford, where she studied philosophy, politics and economics, taking her degree in 1967. At Oxford the diminutive beauty from Burma was a striking figure. Her close friend of those days, Ann Pasternak Slater, remembers how her "tight, trim lungi (the Burmese version of the sarong) and her upright carriage, her firm moral convictions and inherited social grace contrasted sharply" with the casual manners and ill-defined moral standards of the English students.

Slater recalls her curiosity about western ways. Despite Buddhist injunctions, she took one little sip of an alcoholic drink just to find out what it was like -- and didn't like it. And so that she could know the experience of other woman students, who returned from late dates after the gates were locked and had to climb over the garden wall of their dormitory to get in, she had a friend from India bring her back from a dinner date at midnight, so he could help her over the wall. Straker also remembers the characteristic determination with which Suu Kyi learned to bicycle in her lungi.

After Oxford she worked briefly as a research assistant at the University of London and then went to New York City, where she spent three years on the staff of the United Nations secretariat, working the last two on budgetary matters. She shared a small apartment near the U.N. with an old friend of her family who was also on the staff. They kept to their Burmese ways, spoke their native tongue, cooked Burmese food, and their American friends called their flat "a Burmese home in Manhattan." In her spare time Suu Kyi worked as a volunteer social worker in a New York hospital.

In 1971 she became engaged to Michael Aris, whom she had met in England in 1966 and who was now serving as private tutor to the royal family of Bhutan in the Himalayas. In the months before they were married in January 1972 in London, she wrote to him every day from New York. She was concerned that neither her family nor her fiance should think that her marriage in any way meant that she would no longer be as devoted to them and to her country. In her letters to him she constantly returned to the same appeal: "I only ask one thing, that should my people need me, you would help me to do my duty by them." Michael always reassured her of his complete support. But there were forebodings he could not allay. "Sometimes," she wrote, "I am beset by fears that circumstances and national considerations might tear us apart just when we are so happy in each other that separation would be a torment."

From here:

http://www.irwinabrams.com/books/excerpts/annual91.html

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Apology, writing in a hurry, book link here, page 29 o/ward about her relationship with mother, and latter years of family life :

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=BKR ... &q&f=false

[mkb32]

Welcome back, G.

[charliebrown]

the pattern of her actions speak of classic idealist traits. She does not speak of policy or any of the economic fundamentals in governing the country... but an overarching idealist rhetoric.

Her commitment to her country and cause for the sake of ideal and principle alone suggest idealist.

The fact that she hasn't seen her son in years and could have gone back to England to say goodbye to her husband who was dying of cancer... are like M.Ghandi's food strikes.

The religious conviction, passion, zealotry...

Her gentle and diplomatic nature...

I'm with you, cb. Know I want to claim this woman for Idealist.

But I want to base my opinion on KTT, not just my own "Feel" for her.

I get chocked on the concept of an Idealist actively pursuing Politics as a career. We like to discuss politics but naturally don't have the stomach to participate much.
But then again, I only have my perceptions based in American politics. --> I have no real experience with government oppression.

This woman is super intelligent and well educated.
Are we looking at a woman who has developed her four temperament intelligences?

She is very calm in the face of adversity. ---> But that could be the Buddhism influence.

which is exactly what I'm doing. I may be a feeler according to MBTI, but that doesn't mean I analyse things based on 'feel' alone. The above is entirely based on KTT according to PUMIII and People Patterns. For example does anyone not remember that idealists are just as interested in ideas and abstracts as rationals? Or that they have a vocation for the humanities... in that light one can understand her educational background. Although I'm not saying she's not Rational, but overall the evidence of her life pattern weigh in the direction of idealist.

[charliebrown]

I'm with you, cb. Know I want to claim this woman for Idealist.

But I want to base my opinion on KTT, not just my own "Feel" for her.

I get chocked on the concept of an Idealist actively pursuing Politics as a career. We like to discuss politics but naturally don't have the stomach to participate much.
But then again, I only have my perceptions based in American politics. --> I have no real experience with government oppression.

This woman is super intelligent and well educated.
Are we looking at a woman who has developed her four temperament intelligences?

Mahatma Gandhi? He trained as a lawyer at Oxford, and I believe he was involved in politics... (counselor idealist.)

[charliebrown]

"keirsey wrote:
Contending entails competition. Thus to contend with another's work one must hold one's ground, hang onto one's position, stick to one's intention, tend to one's business, stay the course, in a word, be tenacious. It is not so much that one is bent on overtaking or outdoing others, as it is having one's way. Contenders will have their way if at all possible.” Brains and Careers, page 137"