Fyodor Mikhaylovich Dostoyevsky

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Fyodor Mikhaylovich Dostoyevsky

Postby Olga on Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:21 am

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Re: Fyodor Mikhaylovich Dostoyevsky

Postby Olga on Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:38 am

Btw, has anyone read his works? I've only covered "Karamazov brothers" last summer, and only a few days ago I made an order on more books by him (book sale!). He is considered to write with "depth", agree/disagree?
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Re: Fyodor Mikhaylovich Dostoyevsky

Postby stellarrenegade on Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:21 am

"I'm not as sad as Dostoevsky, I'm not as clever as Mark Twain..."
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Re: Fyodor Mikhaylovich Dostoyevsky

Postby Olga on Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:25 am

The language he used in "Karamazov brothers" was very simple. I know from experience that abstract ideas and circle movement inside ideas is "devastating" for me, it can take months before I finish a book, and even then I might not get it. I have Spinoza's Ethics, 2 pages and it bothered me. It's like...where am I? Gah. As for Dostoyevsky, he used concrete language and concrete ideas (the way I experienced it), I finished that book of 800 pages within 8 days (work-week, 8h/day), so go figure. The question is for whom he was writing perhaps? Is it easy to alter the language from abstract to concrete and the other way around? And of course, how relevant is it in determining temperamet? :?
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Re: Fyodor Mikhaylovich Dostoyevsky

Postby keirsey on Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:31 pm

I have a t-shirt with a saying of my father's on the back.

If you don't understand something, don't assume it's your fault. -- Dr. David West Keirsey


One can have confusing concrete prose and confusing abstract prose, you can have clear concrete prose and you can have clear abstract prose. Yes, it is highly dependent on one's knowledge (and experience) and one's Temperament. Much of Philosophy is diarrhea of the mouth (or the pen). But many love it, but it puts me to sleep. Jackie Collins and Samuel Pepys, to me is tedious reading. Much of Twitter is total junk -- too everybody. On the other hand, some books like Guns, Steel, and Germs to me is poetry.. Life Itself is my bible. Sorry I got stuck in Genesis, never to recover in interest to do a restart.
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Re: Fyodor Mikhaylovich Dostoyevsky

Postby Olga on Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:52 pm

keirsey wrote:I have a t-shirt with a saying of my father's on the back.

If you don't understand something, don't assume it's your fault. -- Dr. David West Keirsey


I don't assume it's my fault... :oops: :oops: However, I do evaluate myself :D

One can have confusing concrete prose and confusing abstract prose, you can have clear concrete prose and you can have clear abstract prose. Yes, it is highly dependent on one's knowledge (and experience) and one's Temperament. Much of Philosophy is diarrhea of the mouth (or the pen). But many love it, but it puts me to sleep. Jackie Collins and Samuel Pepys, to me is tedious reading. Much of Twitter is total junk -- too everybody. On the other hand, some books like Guns, Steel, and Germs to me is poetry.. Life Itself is my bible. Sorry I got stuck in Genesis, never to recover in interest to do a restart.


And I got stuck on Noah, then I demanded to be taken to God. Apparently there was no God :o
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Re: Fyodor Mikhaylovich Dostoyevsky

Postby stellarrenegade on Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:20 pm

keirsey wrote:I have a t-shirt with a saying of my father's on the back.

If you don't understand something, don't assume it's your fault. -- Dr. David West Keirsey


One can have confusing concrete prose and confusing abstract prose, you can have clear concrete prose and you can have clear abstract prose. Yes, it is highly dependent on one's knowledge (and experience) and one's Temperament. Much of Philosophy is diarrhea of the mouth (or the pen). But many love it, but it puts me to sleep. Jackie Collins and Samuel Pepys, to me is tedious reading. Much of Twitter is total junk -- too everybody. On the other hand, some books like Guns, Steel, and Germs to me is poetry.. Life Itself is my bible. Sorry I got stuck in Genesis, never to recover in interest to do a restart.

I love that.

Olga wrote:And I got stuck on Noah, then I demanded to be taken to God. Apparently there was no God :o

That confused me. What do you mean?
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Re: Fyodor Mikhaylovich Dostoyevsky

Postby Olga on Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:21 am

stellarrenegade wrote:
Olga wrote:And I got stuck on Noah, then I demanded to be taken to God. Apparently there was no God :o

That confused me. What do you mean?


There was no proof of God. I needed proof. A lot of proof. Like seeing, touching, maybe talking. Nothing imaginary.

I was a very very nice child. But sometimes, just sometimes, I would just simply..."refuse". When I decided to refuse, then I REFUSED. And it could never be changed. God was one of the refusals.

Sometimes, we're not ready for certain things at a certain time. And sometimes, we are never "ready". ;)
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Re: Fyodor Mikhaylovich Dostoyevsky

Postby keirsey on Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:29 am

Olga wrote:Sometimes, we're not ready for certain things at a certain time. And sometimes, we are never "ready". ;)


Bingo!

Bingo!
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Re: Fyodor Mikhaylovich Dostoyevsky

Postby Olga on Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:50 am

Keirsey wrote this man was difficult to type, now no one wants to try!

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