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Re: [Insert random greeting here]

Postby DSM on Sun May 09, 2010 5:54 am

Olga wrote:I will try! What I think, is, that, which comes from the human, is what can be applied on human.


Realy? What if a couple of aliens comes along and applies something to a human? Image

Olga wrote:One of the things is not enough, because they tell a side-story only. By integrating as much as possible, you get a bigger perspective.


I agree.

Olga wrote:If you are looking at a building, it is not just the roof that is a building, it has also windows, walls, door(s)...and so on.


:-?

Olga wrote:The same with the human, just psychology is not enough! And even psychology itself makes it very difficult, because psychology is divided into sub-schools.


Psychology is the study of the mind/brain and how we behave.

Olga wrote:And which one is right? Each and everyone! And at the same time...NONE!


They are right and at the same time they are not?
How?

Olga wrote:Let's say a person has a problem, which can be explained with psychology, but what if the problem is not psychological,


Then it's a medical/health problem.

Olga wrote:but can acutally be solved with something else...like say...philosophy? Or religion?


Philosophy? No.
Religion? NO.

Olga wrote:Or in very few cases...biology (science/medicine)??


Few cases? No.
Science and medicine is used to solve problems.
They are also used in psychology.


Olga wrote:Yet it CAN be explained with psychology! The person then, is not in the middle, it is the school that is in the middle, and the glasses one chooses to wear when examining the person, can very well determine their future...


Example please, as i think this is a litte too vague. :NT:

Olga wrote:And at the end of the day, the human is still bigger than just one perspective!


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Re: [Insert random greeting here]

Postby Olga on Sun May 09, 2010 6:48 am

DSM wrote:
Olga wrote:I will try! What I think, is, that, which comes from the human, is what can be applied on human.


Realy? What if a couple of aliens comes along and applies something to a human? Image

:o They would never! :lol: I think you are dissecting my ideas on purpose!

Olga wrote:One of the things is not enough, because they tell a side-story only. By integrating as much as possible, you get a bigger perspective.


I agree.

Olga wrote:If you are looking at a building, it is not just the roof that is a building, it has also windows, walls, door(s)...and so on.


:-?

Olga wrote:The same with the human, just psychology is not enough! And even psychology itself makes it very difficult, because psychology is divided into sub-schools.


Psychology is the study of the mind/brain and how we behave.

And psychology is not enough, because there are other schools that touch the subject also.

Olga wrote:And which one is right? Each and everyone! And at the same time...NONE!


They are right and at the same time they are not?
How?

Each and everyone is correct from their own point of view. But when apart they miss essentials of the other. Meaning, when one essential is separated from the other, they become incorrect. You with me?

Olga wrote:Let's say a person has a problem, which can be explained with psychology, but what if the problem is not psychological,


Then it's a medical/health problem.

That would be too simple of an answer. I believe people are more complex than that.

Olga wrote:but can acutally be solved with something else...like say...philosophy? Or religion?


Philosophy? No.
Religion? NO.

You are already sceptical! :disapprove:

Olga wrote:Or in very few cases...biology (science/medicine)??


Few cases? No.
Science and medicine is used to solve problems.
They are also used in psychology.

"Used" doesn't necessarily lead to great solutions. And I am afraid, they are not always enough.

Olga wrote:Yet it CAN be explained with psychology! The person then, is not in the middle, it is the school that is in the middle, and the glasses one chooses to wear when examining the person, can very well determine their future...


Example please, as i think this is a litte too vague. :NT:

If you live in "your own head", only referring to your own point of view and thus only one or very few schools, you look at people through those schools. A doctor will examine your body and its limbs, were you to tell him it hurt. If you go to a psychologist of psychodynamic-school, he will want to take you back in time. Were you to pick another from a different school, they will apply their techniques. Very few will examine you from a wider perspective, and then recommending you to go somewhere else. But most often, you're there, you need help, they will use what they believe. Their glasses, not necessarily correct! When applied wrong, concequenses can be....bad! My point is, one must start from the human, from the individual, and then choose means. And sometimes, they may very well be unconventional. But they can still help, and help fully!

Olga wrote:And at the end of the day, the human is still bigger than just one perspective!


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Many many nuances in each individual. But the one wearing the perspectives, and the glasses, are not the individuals, but the observers!

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Re: [Insert random greeting here]

Postby DSM on Sun May 09, 2010 7:41 am

Olga wrote:Each and everyone is correct from their own point of view. But when apart they miss essentials of the other. Meaning, when one essential is separated from the other, they become incorrect. You with me?


I get your point but i'm not with you. :lol:

Olga wrote:That would be too simple of an answer. I believe people are more complex than that.


It's too simple to answer that it's a medical/health problem when it's not a psychological problem...?
Or maybe it's a psychological, medical and health problem?
Then you need all three to solve the problem.

Olga wrote:You are already sceptical! :disapprove:


That's because i think... mostly... :twisted:

Olga wrote:If you live in "your own head", only referring to your own point of view and thus only one or very few schools, you look at people through those schools. A doctor will examine your body and its limbs, were you to tell him it hurt. If you go to a psychologist of psychodynamic-school, he will want to take you back in time. Were you to pick another from a different school, they will apply their techniques. Very few will examine you from a wider perspective, and then recommending you to go somewhere else. But most often, you're there, you need help, they will use what they believe. Their glasses, not necessarily correct! When applied wrong, concequenses can be....bad! My point is, one must start from the human, from the individual, and then choose means. And sometimes, they may very well be unconventional. But they can still help, and help fully!


The world is not perfect...
But i do see your point, and somewhat agree to it.


Olga wrote:Many many nuances in each individual. But the one wearing the perspectives, and the glasses, are not the individuals, but the observers!


:ahum: :-?

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Re: [Insert random greeting here]

Postby stellarrenegade on Sun May 09, 2010 8:47 am

DSM wrote:It's too simple to answer that it's a medical/health problem when it's not a psychological problem...?
Or maybe it's a psychological, medical and health problem?
Then you need all three to solve the problem.

Why do you think that philosophy or religion (faith) can't solve some human problems? Testing this... :-?
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Re: [Insert random greeting here]

Postby stellarrenegade on Sun May 09, 2010 8:50 am

It works, Olga! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :-?

He fixed it! >:Y!<

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Re: [Insert random greeting here]

Postby DSM on Sun May 09, 2010 8:57 am

stellarrenegade wrote:Why do you think that philosophy or religion (faith) can't solve some human problems? Testing this... :-?


That depends on the problem...
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Re: [Insert random greeting here]

Postby Olga on Sun May 09, 2010 8:58 am

stellarrenegade wrote:It works, Olga! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :-?

He fixed it! >:Y!<

:-? :-? :-?


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Re: [Insert random greeting here]

Postby Olga on Sun May 09, 2010 9:03 am

DSM wrote:It's too simple to answer that it's a medical/health problem when it's not a psychological problem...?
Or maybe it's a psychological, medical and health problem?
Then you need all three to solve the problem.


Or one might need something else, to solve them all!

DSM wrote:
:ahum: :-?

Few things are black and white...


What do you mean? :-?
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Re: [Insert random greeting here]

Postby DSM on Sun May 09, 2010 9:18 am

Olga wrote:Or one might need something else, to solve them all!


Depends on the problem...
I think we can agree to that...? :?:

For example:
If you break your leg, you will generaly go to a doctor instead of a priest.

Olga wrote:What do you mean? :-?


Hmmmm...
How to explain....

A good person who has never done anything wrong, consider that white...
A evil person who has never done anything good, consider that black...

I just made it more complex, i think... >:d<
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Re: [Insert random greeting here]

Postby Olga on Sun May 09, 2010 9:24 am

DSM wrote:
Olga wrote:Or one might need something else, to solve them all!


Depends on the problem...
I think we can agree to that...? :?:

For example:
If you break your leg, you will generaly go to a doctor instead of a priest.

Yes, but if I have a headache, I might consider different possibilities. A priest could very well help :P

Olga wrote:What do you mean? :-?


Hmmmm...
How to explain....

A good person who has never done anything wrong, consider that white...
A evil person who has never done anything good, consider that black...

I just made it more complex, i think... >:d<

Nah, I was just wondering why you added it. Was it because you agreed, or that you didn't? If you agreed, I understand, but if you didn't, I didn't get it! :?


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