Complexity of the Individual

[fuzzynavelnot21]

So this is me kneeling at the altar of humility. Yes, there are ways in which I'm not always aware of what's going on, and in which I'm not always peerless in persuading others, and in which I'm not always very witty (but I'm getting better). Does the type fit me overall? Hell yes. But for me to try to measure up perfectly is only despair.

Thank you for sharing that! It was endearing to me the first time you ever mentioned that idea to me in a conversation we had, that you also, like me, have, at times, felt like you failed to live up to the expectations of your type. You brought it up first, and I had never heard anyone express the same things I have thought and felt regarding that. So it was really heart warming to hear those expressions. I am glad you shared them here also! You may now 'rise'.

[stellarrenegade]

So this is me kneeling at the altar of humility. Yes, there are ways in which I'm not always aware of what's going on, and in which I'm not always peerless in persuading others, and in which I'm not always very witty (but I'm getting better). Does the type fit me overall? Hell yes. But for me to try to measure up perfectly is only despair.

Thank you for sharing that! It was endearing to me the first time you ever mentioned that idea to me in a conversation we had, that you also, like me, have, at times, felt like you failed to live up to the expectations of your type. You brought it up first, and I had never heard anyone express the same things I have thought and felt regarding that. So it was really heart warming to hear those expressions. I am glad you shared them here also! You may now 'rise'.

No problem. I have no trouble expressing those kinds of things unless I think it comes with immediate negative social consequences.

I think most people are afraid of admitting it, though. But once I feel like I have a good enough 'rep' it doesn't bother me in the least, because people like for you to be human with them.

Thanks, now do I get to use the royal armor in battle against Bakarinda the Behemoth, Mistress of the Mystical Caverns?

[fuzzynavelnot21]

No problem. I have no trouble expressing those kinds of things unless I think it comes with immediate negative social consequences.

I think most people are afraid of admitting it, though. But once I feel like I have a good enough 'rep' it doesn't bother me in the least, because people like for you to be human with them.

Thanks, now do I get to use the royal armor in battle against Bakarinda the Behemoth, Mistress of the Mystical Caverns?

Hahahaha, Artisan's need to establish 'reps' first huh? Cute.

Ummm.....only if you use the armor responsibly and always for the good of all mankind. I trust you......I think.

[Jeffster]

So in reading the description of your own type, do you ever feel you don't live up to the expectation of that type? That you are not a 'good' Supplier (Provider) or Mobilizer (Fieldmarshall)? Do you sometimes wonder, "What do I Promote, Compose, or Advocate?"

Yeah, I did at first. When reading the Artisans chapter in PUMII, my main two reactions were:

1. Wow! This book knows me better than my own mother!

and

2. Man, I am frickin' lazy! All these amazing things Artisans are out there doing and I spend most of my time sitting on my butt in an office or at home in front of the computer. I am not holding up my part of the deal!

[keirsey]

2. Man, I am frickin' lazy! All these amazing things Artisans are out there doing and I spend most of my time sitting on my butt in an office or at home in front of the computer. I am not holding up my part of the deal!

Wow! I had never thought that would be a reaction to the Artisan chapter.. Clearly all the effects of PUM II on people cannot be imagined, by anybody.

[christina]

I'm reading Katharine Hepburn's biography (slowly but surely) and, wow, she was FeArLeSs!

She was describing (as best she could) the various dives she would perform.....and, boy, I'm just terrified of heights! Let alone bouncing off a 'flimsy' board! The most I can bring myself to do is a simple.....head first dive with my arms outstretched over my head with one hand on top another....and NO bouncing!



So, it's not that I don't necessarily 'live up' to the Artisan role, but I may not be as fearless or as skilled as the description of the role may imply. I am simply 'average'.

One, though, can't dismiss the effects of age, personal limitations, and the responsibility required of the 'real' world.....

[christina]

We expect them to be 'gods' at their 'forte'. "You should be good at chess because you are a Strategizer." "You should know how to say the perfect thing at the right time because you are a Diplomat." "You should be comfortable taking this risk because you are an Artisan."

And so Pygmalion's chisel we find in our own hands.

So in true Idealist form, I must say ( ), let us embrace each other for who we ARE and not who we SHOULD BE. Let us encourage one another for what potential we have, but not beat up each other for when we fail to meet expectations. And lastly, let us live each day with internal harmony, not being afraid or worried that we are not our 'best' selves for that day.

I really, really like this This is the way to look at it.

[Jeffster]

2. Man, I am frickin' lazy! All these amazing things Artisans are out there doing and I spend most of my time sitting on my butt in an office or at home in front of the computer. I am not holding up my part of the deal!

Wow! I had never thought that would be a reaction to the Artisan chapter.. Clearly all the effects of PUM II on people cannot be imagined, by anybody.

I don't know why it would be surprising. I mean, if you write about stuff like Hemingway running with the bulls and all this other dangerous stuff, and all the military guys like fighter pilots, and famous athletes and musical composers and stuff, it's natural for someone who hasn't accomplished any of those sorts of things to read that and feel like he doesn't measure up.

[fuzzynavelnot21]

2. Man, I am frickin' lazy! All these amazing things Artisans are out there doing and I spend most of my time sitting on my butt in an office or at home in front of the computer. I am not holding up my part of the deal!

Wow! I had never thought that would be a reaction to the Artisan chapter.. Clearly all the effects of PUM II on people cannot be imagined, by anybody.

I don't know why it would be surprising. I mean, if you write about stuff like Hemingway running with the bulls and all this other dangerous stuff, and all the military guys like fighter pilots, and famous athletes and musical composers and stuff, it's natural for someone who hasn't accomplished any of those sorts of things to read that and feel like he doesn't measure up.

I'm so happy I decided to post on this! And to think, the Artisans seem to be so far the ones who feel the most pressure, maybe? I'm really happy for the three of you (Jeffster, Stell, Christina) sharing your thoughts on this. This subject touches me deeper than I can express very well right now so it almost brings me to tears to read the expressions from you three. I love you guys! Please, don't run away....hehe.

[stellarrenegade]

No problem. I have no trouble expressing those kinds of things unless I think it comes with immediate negative social consequences.

I think most people are afraid of admitting it, though. But once I feel like I have a good enough 'rep' it doesn't bother me in the least, because people like for you to be human with them.

Thanks, now do I get to use the royal armor in battle against Bakarinda the Behemoth, Mistress of the Mystical Caverns?

Hahahaha, Artisan's need to establish 'reps' first huh? Cute.

Yeah, especially us Promoters.

Ummm.....only if you use the armor responsibly and always for the good of all mankind. I trust you......I think.

As long as you think me reproducing is for the good of all mankind... I'm just gonna go to the local tavern afterwards to pick up some chicks.

2. Man, I am frickin' lazy! All these amazing things Artisans are out there doing and I spend most of my time sitting on my butt in an office or at home in front of the computer. I am not holding up my part of the deal!

Wow! I had never thought that would be a reaction to the Artisan chapter.. Clearly all the effects of PUM II on people cannot be imagined, by anybody.

I don't know why it would be surprising. I mean, if you write about stuff like Hemingway running with the bulls and all this other dangerous stuff, and all the military guys like fighter pilots, and famous athletes and musical composers and stuff, it's natural for someone who hasn't accomplished any of those sorts of things to read that and feel like he doesn't measure up.

Yeah, totally. I'm fairly fearless when it comes to alot of activities, but not when it comes to social pressure. I'm often found trying to safeguard myself and prefacing what I say so as to be "several leaps ahead" of the other guy just in case (and end up worrying over nothing at all). Sometimes I can be just a bit clumsy. Other times I have real trouble finding something, although I've gotten WAY better at that over the years. Sometimes I end up fazing out and not paying attention to what somebody's saying but only if it's not particularly relevant. Many of these problems used to be huge, now I've pretty much got it cleaned up.

I mean, overall I fit the description, and I'm pretty good at being a few leaps ahead of people for real, and being a good judge of people (someone complimented me on that recently) and I usually transition immediately and seamlessly from one activity to the next, although I end up screwing things up alot, especially lately.

When I first came up here, it wasn't really that I pulled myself out of a crisis with style. My Fieldmarshal dad and Supplier mom and Protector friend basically all saved my ass. But I guess that's what networking's all about, right? I dunno. I do play things like that off pretty well, though. I tried to impress you guys by how fast "I" turned everything around by not mentioning that I had help, and I'm pretty good at doing things like that on a continual basis. So it's like a weakness complimented with a strength, there. haha.

Anyway, it's kind of relieving to be honest sometimes... now let's get back to showing off.