Compulsion-based schooling is evil. You know it.

[Goodrum]

Wow, and seriously, this is fascinating..

[Johan]

Even now the Inventor persona is attractive because of its ability to disregard the feelings of others and to be autonomous. It offers a compelling freedom.

Seriously Shy, cast aside this unwarrented co-operation with the unwashed masses and dance naked in the mindfield!

...if that makes any sense!?

[MarmieDearest]

Shy, I think you are dead on about us Idealists. I think you may have hit the nail on the head with me... I think I might possibly be a counselor who thought it was better to be seen as fun and outgoing and silly and therefore I forced myself into that role thinking it was the real me, when in truth, the real me is much more reserved. I think I got tired of being called "shy, reserved, quiet" like I was a non-threat, a door mat, someone to be trampled. I wanted to be thought of as different than the quiet one who studied all the time and was smart but not very fun to be around because I wasn't into all the crazy stuff the other kids were, because I had better judgement than them. This is very trippy for me. I think I have been wearing a mask for many many years to please others and not be pigeonholed, not be in a box I didn't want to be in, not be underestimated. I hate being underestimated and written off.

It's possible. Counselors are mysterious in part because they change their personalities to fit the expectations of others and, rather than "putting on an act" like an Artisan, the Counselor really does become the person that others want them to be. People can't tell that they are "lying" because they really do believe it. I seemed very much the Counselor as a child but sort of "grew" into the Inventor role because I got tired of hiding in a corner. Even now the Inventor persona is attractive because of its ability to disregard the feelings of others and to be autonomous. It offers a compelling freedom.

Truth. I am always aware that I am acting and I am a terribly blunt person if I don't just opt to keep my mouth shut.

For example, I have a friend who I am very very sure is an Idealist. She has very strong morals about never calling people names, never talking about people behind their backs, always speaking kindly, and she has a hyper-awareness to be the diametrical opposite of abusive.

I have always considered myself a kind, nice, loving person, but I frankly have no trouble turning to someone who is placing unreasonable or annoying demands on me and saying "f___ off, what don't you get?" or telling people that they're acting like assholes. In fact, I prefer in some cases to let people know how repellent I find them, because I think being "too nice" is enabling.

On the other hand, I understand the concept of acting nice for political/manipulative purposes, like to make money or survive, very well! Other than those kinds of situations, though, it's much more comfortable for me to be straight-forward and honest. This usually isn't a problem because I'm essentially a loving person, but I really have no compunction in the slightest "fighting back" or confronting certain people. I don't have the confrontation avoidance of an Idealist, unless I simply am too tired for it and want to be left alone, or am genuinely physically afraid the other person will hurt me. I can be pretty audacious.

[Al3322]

After my piss poor-assed golfing performance this morning, I know I am not an Artisan.

Look guys, you need to decide who you are. You're setting up cognitive dissonance among some of your readers.

[Narnia51483]

After my piss poor-assed golfing performance this morning, I know I am not an Artisan.

Look guys, you need to decide who you are. You're setting up cognitive dissonance among some of your readers.

Cognitive dissonance is my favorie psychological concept of all time.

[Narnia51483]

This morning when I woke up, I had no idea that I would be a Counselor Idealist by the time I went to bed. I feel strangely familiar in my own skin.

[RandomUser191]

For example, I have a friend who I am very very sure is an Idealist. She has very strong morals about never calling people names, never talking about people behind their backs, always speaking kindly, and she has a hyper-awareness to be the diametrical opposite of abusive.

thinking someone is an idealist just because of their ethics is stereotypical to me. i have always attracted idealists and very little of them were actually very moral or ethical. most were average in that department.

frankly, 2 of the most ethical people in my environment would be me and my grandma (both protectors). in fact, i've noticed several guardians being much more ethical than idealists. i HAVE met some very ethical idealists though, just as i've met strongly ethical rationals and moraly loose guardians.

i think it comes down to experience and empathy. for example, someone who's rights are taken away will rarely try to take other people's right away.

I have always considered myself a kind, nice, loving person, but I frankly have no trouble turning to someone who is placing unreasonable or annoying demands on me and saying "f___ off, what don't you get?" or telling people that they're acting like assholes. In fact, I prefer in some cases to let people know how repellent I find them, because I think being "too nice" is enabling.

On the other hand, I understand the concept of acting nice for political/manipulative purposes, like to make money or survive, very well! Other than those kinds of situations, though, it's much more comfortable for me to be straight-forward and honest. This usually isn't a problem because I'm essentially a loving person, but I really have no compunction in the slightest "fighting back" or confronting certain people. I don't have the confrontation avoidance of an Idealist, unless I simply am too tired for it and want to be left alone, or am genuinely physically afraid the other person will hurt me. I can be pretty audacious.

sounds like my ex girlfriend. very performer-like indeed. you guys really are something...

[shytiger]

Seriously Shy, cast aside this unwarrented co-operation with the unwashed masses and dance naked in the mindfield!

...if that makes any sense!?

Ha ha, it does! I so want to go to that mindfield but the needs of others draws me back time and time again. My very identity seems to be at the service of others. I think we need Inventors to drag us there feet first.

[shytiger]

After my piss poor-assed golfing performance this morning, I know I am not an Artisan.

Look guys, you need to decide who you are. You're setting up cognitive dissonance among some of your readers.

Sorry! Let me suggest a theory based on my observations: While the dark escaping Champion tends to be the one that chooses several identities and sticks with them, the dark escaping Counselor picks one identity and continues to doubt it, going through a series of new identities, each one designed to be more pleasing and more perfect than the previous.

Being a Counselor is like being on a small boat in a storm. The ocean and the wind are the needs of others. They push and pull you this way and that. These is no rest from it and you constantly fear capsizing. The boat becomes filled with water so that the occupant can no longer distinguish him/herself from the waves around him. Without rest, he/she will drown.

This is why meditation is so essential because it allows one to find a safe harbor and connect with the self.

[Narnia51483]

After my piss poor-assed golfing performance this morning, I know I am not an Artisan.

Look guys, you need to decide who you are. You're setting up cognitive dissonance among some of your readers.

Sorry! Let me suggest a theory based on my observations: While the dark escaping Champion tends to be the one that chooses several identities and sticks with them, the dark escaping Counselor picks one identity and continues to doubt it, going through a series of new identities, each one designed to be more pleasing and more perfect than the previous.

Being a Counselor is like being on a small boat in a storm. The ocean and the wind are the needs of others. They push and pull you this way and that. These is no rest from it and you constantly fear capsizing. The boat becomes filled with water so that the occupant can no longer distinguish him/herself from the waves around him. Without rest, he/she will drown.

This is why meditation is so essential because it allows one to find a safe harbor and connect with the self.

I agree completely.