Supervisor roles-Coworker or Responder

[stellarrenegade]

Hah, I think I just stumbled upon a huge piece o'

IRONY

This just goes to show that I'm a terrible studier and I never read. I mentioned the Performer description well after it was posted and being discussed.

You might as well hit me over the head with a brick. I never read instructions because I can't stop my impulses/mind long enough to keep from just jumping in.

Also the part about mutual studying is 100% accurate. If I'm not discussing it I don't care and I'm probably not paying attention, and it simply won't stick.

[Looking4theBestNU]

I've got an even bigger piece of irony!


I sat down all of my floor supervisors and tested them. I discovered that among them I have one ESTJ and one ENFJ who I immediately clicked with. The rest of them that I picked out for management (out of 927 applicants who showed up at mass hire) were all ESFJs with the exception of the guy we are discussing. They all really thought everyone's type fit them perfectly. This guy didn't test as SP at all but tested strongly as ENFJ. Nobody thought he fit the description at all, including me, so part of me wonders if he was playing a joke! He seemed to really struggle with the questions and couldn't make up his mind. Anyway, so I took him aside and said "OK, if you are ENFJ like me I know what you can handle so I'm going to lay it on the line with you now going forward." That had zero success. Still I wonder why, if he is ENFJ, I don't recognize hardly any traits similar to my own. It's driving me nuts at how I could have been so wrong and what I missed. I thought for sure he was ESFP.....so much pointed in that direction. Anyway, I hate being wrong and trust that my accuracy has proven to be very, very good until this point before testing someone. So much for that now! At the very least though he will be interesting to study as I've not come across a male ENFJ in real life.

[stellarrenegade]

Really!? Did you give them the Keirsey descriptions? They're the most effective. Did he say that the description fit? Do you see him as enterprising or an initiator like you?

Interesting...

[Looking4theBestNU]

I did give him the descriptions and he said the ENFJ one fit a little bit better than the ESFP but neither really rang true. He seems much more enterprising to me. I sat down with him and really started engaging him. I feel a little guilty now because upon further investigation he told me about some issues that he has had for a very long time. Both of these issues could certainly skew the personality perceptions of anyone on the outside looking in. I have to say he's done a very good job at adapting to get by with them. I have answered my own question with what I need to do with him because it appears patience and understanding are what the situation will now require with this new overall clearer picture.

[Goodrum]

An interesting curveball there Teach!

[shytiger]

Are you sure he's not an ENFP?

[christina]

I've got an even bigger piece of irony!

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This guy didn't test as SP at all but tested strongly as ENFJ. Nobody thought he fit the description at all, including me, so part of me wonders if he was playing a joke! He seemed to really struggle with the questions and couldn't make up his mind. [\quote]

I have "trouble" identifying my own kind....for me, I think it's partly denial


This little whammy is interesting I wonder why he struggled with the questions....what were his reasons? I'm thinking to myself here. I think his struggle could be more abstract based. What's funny is that Teachers are supposed to know what they are feeling

From the keirsey site....

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And they do not hesitate to speak out and let their feelings be known.
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Without a doubt, they know what is going on inside themselves, and they can read other people with uncanny accuracy.

For the sake of discussion, I'm not convinced he's a teacher. I'm thinking probing rational or maybe probing idealist but I'll come up with reasons/arguments (ie. pull things out my butt) on why later!

Maybe Promoter?

[stellarrenegade]

As for being directive/inquiring, Portraits, one of the less prominent Keirsey books, gives the best info, something not carried over completely to later installments.

Those who propose the roles for everyone to be in are directive and those who fall into those roles or conversely seek to deny them are inquirers.

Just dealing with expressives, Teachers decide that they will teach and actively seek students. Champions seek those in need of advocacy in order to take on their burden. Fieldmarshals seek people to marshal in a certain direction, and Inventors seek some necessity to mother their inventions. Promoters seek people ro move and maneuver while Performers seek people to move and maneuver for. Supervisors seek people to watch carefully over and stabilize while Suppliers seek personal needs and wants to fulfill.

Make sense? I was lost concerning directiveness/inquisitiveness until I read that about the roles.

[Looking4theBestNU]

Are you sure he's not an ENFP?

Actually, that is what I was thinking too. Unfortunately, I've been very busy lately and haven't got to spend much time with him.

For the sake of discussion, I'm not convinced he's a teacher. I'm thinking probing rational or maybe probing idealist but I'll come up with reasons/arguments (ie. pull things out my butt) on why later!

Ok, this made me laugh for real! I'm still giggling...please post more:)!

As for being directive/inquiring, Portraits, one of the less prominent Keirsey books, gives the best info, something not carried over completely to later installments.

I'm always surprised that more people have not read this book. It's one of my favorites.

[Goodrum]

Portraits? I've missed this, I think I've confused People Patterns (which I have), with it, but there is another book!!!

Great stuff, I'm onto it.