No. No. NO! Mistakes were made, but not by me!

[christina]

twins?! whoa.

[Goodrum]

Heh, welcome, 2 yo twins=double the fun.

[christina]

twins?! whoa. Very nice.

[Jodelle]

MKB:

The Pygmalion Project: Volume III - The Idealist, page 154

"I was taught how to kiss by an artisan. Of that I am sure. You want to do it, you feel like doing it, but how the hell?

He showed me. At 13 yo, he "knew" how to go about it, what felt good, what felt good back...the actual logictics of cordinating two cerebellums to lock in...

I am reading over all the posts backwards and so if I'm late in this game I apologize.

I just wanted to say that I never thought of it before but I was also taught how to kiss by an Artisan! ESFP in fact. Just a small "ah ha" moment I just had. I know my husband won't be reading this forum so speaking strictly on a tactical basis, I have to confess that first boyfriend/kiss spoiled me for life. No one else has matched up.

[Goodrum]

Andrew?

He kissed a lot of girls.

[stellarrenegade]

Stellar, don't "F" the Idealists.
The passion makes us vulnerable.
Too many emotions in the "F" for you to deal with.

Hah, I usually spell it "eff" so that kinda threw me off, but I see now what you did there. Nice play on words.

I'm in a hurry to get home, and I don't remember exactly how I said it, but I wasn't trying to diss her. Plastic surgery is fine, I was just pointing out that her beauty, as a whole, isn't totally natural. And that's okay, I think she's very beautiful. I don't think I've seen pics of what she looked like before, though.

;) Funny, Michelle. Stellar, you're on your own.

But the sad thing is, Brad the Artisan has said recently in an interview that he's just getting tired of the marriage and needs a fresh start. The whole stardom culture doesn't propagate long-lasting marriages, it seems. But it's really sad when that's the reason you give everyone for needing a break. I'm sure he probably came into the relationship with the assumption that they had an understanding: this is not forever. And Healer Angelina, being attentive, never really made it clear what she wanted? Of course she's done this before with Billy Bob. Maybe she might do better with a less well-known star? Of course they might just use her to become more famous.

Let's not dump on brad for wanting a fresh start..... I think that's a heartfelt problem Artisans experience and, besides, raising a million kids is....tiring Relationships can get really complicated. Perhaps I'm a little biased? I'm too sympathetic?


Well, I guess I don't care, I still get my service of entertainment

No, I'm sympathetic to it too, believe me. I know the potential I have for doing the same exact thing. It'd still be sad, though, doncha think? Especially if I were married to a Healer who could get potentially be very hurt by it. Naw, don't get me wrong, I understand Brad's feelings inside and out. It's just sad that it has to be that way. I wouldn't be making as big of a deal if Angelina were an Artisan or even a Guardian. Of course I guess that can also come off as patronizing. The same temperament that makes Angelina vulnerable can also give her hidden strength, I suppose.

Hopefully she can find someone she can have a perfectly happy, long-term relationship with. Pipe dream? Maybe not. I'm sure there's somebody out there. Maybe she can marry a musician? Or just someone who's not a celebrity at all, though that can sometimes be awkward.

[Goodrum]

Stellarrenegade:

No, I'm sympathetic to it too, believe me. I know the potential I have for doing the same exact thing. It'd still be sad, though, doncha think? Especially if I were married to a Healer who could get potentially be very hurt by it.

It is healer meat and potatoes.

ANGELINA JOLIE: I’ve been able to travel the world with the UN under the guise, you know I’m somebody who has that good fortune of being able to shed light on situations in the world that I think can use more attention so I’m able to go places with a with a purpose, and with a kind of strong sense of being able to accomplish something. So that’s been the greatest thing for me.

Doing what she does, humanitarian type work, having adopted and had the children of her own, it is a mission, it is the thing that makes a healer's blood surge and flow....quiver.

Her going to the poverty/war torn places grabbed her by the seat of the pants.

ANGELINA JOLIE: I can’t tell you stories without crying or something. You know there’s so, there are just so many. It really changed my life drastically. The first time I went to a war zone and went to Sierra Leone, and I wasn’t a goodwill ambassador and I wasn’t with cameras and I just went and I spent a few weeks, and I saw what what real suffering is and I saw what real survival and real strength of character and really amazing people in situations in the world that I understood there was a great deal I did not know and that I was quite ignorant in many ways.

I never wake up worried about silly things anymore and my children are healthy and I can feed them. I’m very very grateful and I feel of use to something that is more important than just getting up and going about the day like I used to. So it changed me drastically.

For some reason that is the thing that is wired into our psyche, it can start early, very, very, early and manifest in us as children, bringing home strays and injured etc, I'm thinking that holds in good stead for the meatier stuff that comes later. Gotta hone your skills somehow.

What is important also, is get the balance right..

ANGELINA JOLIE: No we have tried to kind of let’s go, now mummy and daddy just want some time. We’re going to read, go to your room, we really got some work to do tonight, we’re going to take a bath, we’re going to, and before you know it whether we’re trying to read in bed or we’re sitting in the bath just the little door opens, and one comes in and the other comes in and every morning we wake up with about half of them just there.

Healers doing what they do best have an incredibly deep, deepest of deep satisfaction, you would trade it for food, family (almost), sex, money, god even. Well...I might be hyperboling on a few of those things.

It can be fanatical-if you let the healer beast devour you.

Remember when we get on our high missionary horse we draw strength of somekind or other from it.

Being able to contribute to children/adults... others, animals, nature, to those that didn't get the breaks we did, really, genuinely floats our healer boat(s).

ANGELINA JOLIE: I had been a single Mum, I’d been married before and then I was kind of in a similar way. I mean I had a little boy but I was kind of in a stage of my life where I felt like I had tried marriage, I’m on my own, I’m raising my kid and my kid’s my life and and I guess I’m just going to be on my own and this is what it’s going to be, so I wasn’t looking for somebody to complete me in any way, but I met him and I just enjoyed my time with him, more than I enjoyed being alone suddenly.

I am thinking though, of all the temperaments, the types, we were not necessarily meant to mate. The monastic in more ways then one.

But it's all good Stellarrenegade, it's all good.

The quotes are from an Australian interview: http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/tra ... 427916.htm

[Goodrum]

Jodelle, if you come back and if I understand this right, it was you that picked Angelina as idealist/healer? what was it that gave it away for you?

Just curious.

I missed the thread on her for some reason, but wondered what made you think idealist.

[Jodelle]

I've pondered Brad Pitt's type a little bit and am probably too biased yet to assess him accurately. My current guess is ENTP. My father is an ENTP and I've known other ENTPs who are very spunky, lively, etc. The thing that keeps catching my attention with Pitt is that he loves to design. He is way into the Katrina rebuild in an architectural capacity--that seems to be his passion. I suppose that would be INTP but he seems too visible and loquacious to be an INTP.

Goodrum--yes it was me that pinned Angelina as INFP (for the record I also pinned Audrey Hepburn as INFP too!) The give-aways to me were the self-mutilation and the darkness she expressed. It seemed more personal than just an act. Also, the mother-earth thing is a life style not a stint. That's really about it. Maybe the good old-fashioned NF instinct as well but I do try and find more than just a gut feeling when I make a stand on someone's type.

[SunPath]

I just got to say, Goodrum: "You are good. Really good."

What you researched about Angelina, and dug up in KTT, as well as your precious personal insights! I learned so much! I feel like I am reading another insightful explanation of KTT, such as the Pygmalion Project (and I love that series!)

I just had to tell you.

Thank you.

Please keep it up. Your type is so beautful and mysterious. I need help getting to understand it better.