No. No. NO! Mistakes were made, but not by me!

[shytiger]

Rationals have the technicalities probably down to pat.

We have all the books...what more does one need?

[mkb32]

I suspect sexually, sensuality wise, the artisans have us stitched up.

They are naturals. Guardians wouldn't be far behind, they are doers and practise probably until it gets good.

Rationals have the technicalities probably down to pat.

Healers....end up as monks and nuns. (Unless they have Billy Bobs drop by).

Partly only kidding. But you get the drift, healers "some" healers don't know diddily squat. Or struggle express it. They can look like porsches, but for some it's in the hands of the driver or mechanic. Gotta turn'em on! Show'em how to run. Sort of.

Yeah, well, that and she is naturally beautiful. Probably always has been.
If that is what she recognised as "valuable" or "important" to core family members her whole life, then it must be mastered & maintained.
Pretty can be a burden.
Then add in some guilt for "seeming" ungrateful for naturally having what so many folks want desperately--->Pretty.
I can understand how that may make some folks work really hard at becoming NOT Pretty.

Sensuality does not always mean sex. BUT considering her parents, it may have been in her family of origin.

[Goodrum]

MKB:

Yeah, well, that and she is naturally beautiful. Probably always has been.

Therein is the kicker. She never considered herself "beautiful", apparently, according to what she has said she was always too thin, too fat, too short, lips too big, long arms.....and it was being said to her, so as much as we try to brush that all off some of that sticks. Can be challenging times for kids..

Resilience where art thou?

Now Angelina decided she wanted to act and, as ever jumping in at the deep end, enrolled at the Lee Strasberg Theatre Institute, where she trained for two years, appearing in several stage productions. As a pupil at Beverly Hills High School, she was not alone in her cinematic ambitions. But she certainly FELT alone in the midst of all those good-looking, pampered children, children who teased her mercilessly for wearing braces and glasses and being so painfully skinny. Unlike the other parents, Marcheline was not rich - so Angelina also had to seek her clothes at thrift stores like Aardvark. Her confidence received a further battering when her attempts at modelling proved fruitless. She never got picked - too short, too thin, too fat, too scarred.

. Scarred - yes. Perhaps it was the many moves, maybe it was to do with her father, a lonely, detached figure who did not want to live with his family (Angelina always feared she would be like that herself). Maybe it was the relative poverty, or the taunting, or the way she felt that -with her big eyes, big lips, big everything - she looked like a muppet. But Angelina had come to hate herself, to feel absolutely worthless. She felt unworthy, didn't like to be touched (she still has this problem sometimes). So, like too many young girls, she started to cut herself. At 14, she dropped out of acting classes and began an existence of fast-living and active self-loathing. She wore black, dyed her hair purple and went out slam-dancing with her live-in punk boyfriend. They experimented heavily in S&M, Angelina once asking him to draw a blade along her jawline (the scar is now faint, but still there).

from biography:

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/entertainment/ ... y/3?page=2

[Goodrum]

It would be interesting to know if her ways (earlier days) of self destruction? are responses/cover ups? to healer's sense of worthlesness.

Gut feeling here is yes.

EDIT:

keirsey on Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:18 pm
The Idealists historically have been called Hysterics. One of father's label is the "Hysterical Schizophrenics" (Of course the word "schizophrenia" has been horribly abused by psychiatrists, such that now days is a meaningless term -- they will tag the term on anybody they can get away with) Remember the original meaning of schizophrenia -- split head -- of "two minds" There are two kinds: the Manipulated Puppets and the Masked Imposters. Of Manipulated Puppets: there is the Convulsive Decoy and the Emptied Possum; of the Masked Imposters: there is the Invaded Stranger and the Immolated Zealot.
from viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81&p=418&hilit=invaded+stranger#p418

AHA! DMK:

Her dark side. Isn't that just an Artisan acting out, rebelling? Wild child -- typical teenage Goth Artisan.. Ignore the "cutting" -- self mutation of the Immolated Zealot. And her tiff with her father John Voight... Artisan rebelling child, not an deeply hurt Idealist, a painful rift: a serious misunderstanding between two complex people. Parenting is hard.

So...we are immolated zealots..immolated: kill victim as sacrifice------zealot: fanatic
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Shytiger:

We have all the books...what more does one need?

Our temperaments are so interesting.

The masterpiece of life.

I still don't understand though, her use of words give her away... or perhaps it is more obvious to me? Only. One type recognising their own?

[stellarrenegade]

Oops, I did it again.

Okay, I know you're having a vulnerable moment, but I just have to say: that phrase was cool only a whole generation ago! And only amongst teeny-bopper girls, guys who wanted in Britney's pants, and parents who wanted to be hip with their kids.

Ok. Ok. How about IT'S HOWDY DOODY TIME.....

What we've got here is failure to communicate.

I was uncool --- way... before you were born...

haha Now that's even worse, it's fifty years ago...

Just kidding. Your sarcasm knows no bounds. I was just giving you a hard time, y'know.

Yeah, well, that and she is naturally beautiful. Probably always has been.

Um, hate to break it to ya kid, but she had help with tons of enhancement... well no, you're right. She is naturally beautiful, she just isn't all natural.

Anyway, I pretty much only have good words about her (yeah right Stellar, it's just cuz you think she's hot ) - I always thought she seemed pretty sincere and genuine, she adopted tons of kids not just one or two which obviously shows her love for children (and she's obviously not doing it just for her rep), and her marriage has been one of the longest lasting in Hollywood. But the sad thing is, Brad the Artisan has said recently in an interview that he's just getting tired of the marriage and needs a fresh start. The whole stardom culture doesn't propagate long-lasting marriages, it seems. But it's really sad when that's the reason you give everyone for needing a break. I'm sure he probably came into the relationship with the assumption that they had an understanding: this is not forever. And Healer Angelina, being attentive, never really made it clear what she wanted? Of course she's done this before with Billy Bob. Maybe she might do better with a less well-known star? Of course they might just use her to become more famous.

[christina]

I still don't understand though, her use of words give her away... or perhaps it is more obvious to me? Only. One type recognising their own?

I'd initially relate to her; I thought she seemed like a cool person. She's beautiful, in your face edgy. She's played tough and/or powerful women, so one begins to associate the roles she's played with her actual character/personality. That's not to say that Healer Women aren't tough or powerful, mind you. As an actress, I've liked a good number of her performances but not all. She's a good role model, so one couldn't help but idolize her. However, it would soon become apparent that I'd never reach her heighths----she's just soooo generous, more than I'll ever be or want to be.

[mkb32]

Stellar, don't "F" the Idealists.
The passion makes us vulnerable.
Too many emotions in the "F" for you to deal with.

[christina]

Funny, Michelle. Stellar, you're on your own.

But the sad thing is, Brad the Artisan has said recently in an interview that he's just getting tired of the marriage and needs a fresh start. The whole stardom culture doesn't propagate long-lasting marriages, it seems. But it's really sad when that's the reason you give everyone for needing a break. I'm sure he probably came into the relationship with the assumption that they had an understanding: this is not forever. And Healer Angelina, being attentive, never really made it clear what she wanted? Of course she's done this before with Billy Bob. Maybe she might do better with a less well-known star? Of course they might just use her to become more famous.

Let's not dump on brad for wanting a fresh start..... I think that's a heartfelt problem Artisans experience and, besides, raising a million kids is....tiring Relationships can get really complicated. Perhaps I'm a little biased? I'm too sympathetic?


Well, I guess I don't care, I still get my service of entertainment

[Goodrum]

The other thing that blows my socks off is no matter the gender, the country of origin, "whatever" the background to each person ...is the fundamental similarities. You read about your temperament, you study up on it, but real life--is incredibly wonderful, (the good and notso good points inclusive). The strong underlying forces of healer-what-makes-you-tick cannot help but manifest their forces.

It's a mixture of a little weirdness, fascination, fun and awe at looking at your own traits within someone else. In a few of the interviews I read up on her, she actually refers to, (quite a bit), the charity/humanitarian work of Audrey Hepburn, (another healer). Her role model...(or one of her role models, she also adores Clint Eastwood, they did an Australian interview together, Clint remarked a few times how he was so impressed Angelina had matured and found her "passions" in life-at such a (relatively) young age, while remarking it had taken him decades to reach that same sort of maturity, knowledge and peace). Angelina remarked she would love to have Clint as her Dad!

They were so sweet. I'm not sure what artisan he is.

There is another big learning curve, we grab the opportunity to study our type, the Angelinas, Karen Armstrongs, Neil Diamonds.. whatever your flavor is. Fascinating stuff.

[Jodelle]

I'm here! I'm here! It's Jodelle, over in the corner...I want to write and get to know you all soon but I'm the mother of two-year-old twins so I'm immersed. I'll try to hop in here soon!