The Question of Inheritance: Nature and Nurture

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Re: The Question of Inheritance: Nature and Nurture

Postby shytiger on Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:12 am

One thing you can do, take it from me, curious children and floor vents do not mix well. Avoid one or the other.
If a revolution destroys a government, but the systematic patterns of thought that produced that government are left intact, then those patterns will repeat themselves.... There's so much talk about the system. And so little understanding. --Robert Pirsig
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Re: The Question of Inheritance: Nature and Nurture

Postby jwetmore on Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:00 am

fuzzynavelnot21 wrote:What do Rationals do when they are told a problem?


Ouch! Direct hit.

Thanks to KTT and to my Teacher, Idealist wife, I know the answer to this - at least on the conscious level. It's just that darn subconscious that keeps getting it wrong.

Fuzzy - that seemed to easy for you. I just hope you didn't get as much pleasure as it appears you did in finding a downside for the Rationals.
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Re: The Question of Inheritance: Nature and Nurture

Postby shytiger on Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:07 pm

jwetmore wrote:
fuzzynavelnot21 wrote:What do Rationals do when they are told a problem?


Ouch! Direct hit.

Thanks to KTT and to my Teacher, Idealist wife, I know the answer to this - at least on the conscious level. It's just that darn subconscious that keeps getting it wrong.

Fuzzy - that seemed to easy for you. I just hope you didn't get as much pleasure as it appears you did in finding a downside for the Rationals.


Sometimes I even have this problem with myself. I wonder if, instead of trying to fix all my problems, I should just learn to live with some of them. They might go away on their own.
If a revolution destroys a government, but the systematic patterns of thought that produced that government are left intact, then those patterns will repeat themselves.... There's so much talk about the system. And so little understanding. --Robert Pirsig
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Re: The Question of Inheritance: Nature and Nurture

Postby philippe on Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:01 pm

shytiger wrote:One thing you can do, take it from me, curious children and floor vents do not mix well. Avoid one or the other.

Kinda like a deep fryer full of hot oil and a glass of cold water?... ahem... :?

fuzzynavelnot21 wrote:What do Rationals do when they are told a problem? (50 points to whoever figures out where I'm going with this, haha.)


Oh, OK. I see it now (I think). Thank you for bringing this up. I promise to do better and at least let the person speaking finish their sentence.

Question for the parents here, at what age do you start noticing the child's temperament?
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Re: The Question of Inheritance: Nature and Nurture

Postby shytiger on Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:07 pm

philippe wrote:
shytiger wrote:One thing you can do, take it from me, curious children and floor vents do not mix well. Avoid one or the other.

Kinda like a deep fryer full of hot oil and a glass of cold water?... ahem... :?

fuzzynavelnot21 wrote:What do Rationals do when they are told a problem? (50 points to whoever figures out where I'm going with this, haha.)


Oh, OK. I see it now (I think). Thank you for bringing this up. I promise to do better and at least let the person speaking finish their sentence.

Question for the parents here, at what age do you start noticing the child's temperament?


I think it must depend on the temperament but very early it's possible to narrow it down, perhaps 18 months to two years. For example, my youngest pronounces words very exactly and is way ahead in his language development, he's bold and adventurous, shy around strangers and strange places, so I'm guessing he's a mastermind like his mother. Time will tell though. It could be harder for a temperament that's not your own. My eldest is 5 and I have no doubt whatsoever that he is an Inventor like me. Two masterminds and two inventors in the family. This must be karma.
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Re: The Question of Inheritance: Nature and Nurture

Postby shytiger on Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:11 pm

On the question of parenting, some wisdom from the Chinese poet Su Tung P'o (1036-1101 AD):

On the Birth of my Son

Families, when a child is born
want it to be intelligent
I, through intelligence,
having wrecked my whole life,
only hope the baby will prove ignorant and stupid.
Then he will crown a tranquil life,
by becoming a Cabinet Minister.
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Re: The Question of Inheritance: Nature and Nurture

Postby fuzzynavelnot21 on Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:18 pm

jwetmore wrote:Fuzzy - that seemed to easy for you. I just hope you didn't get as much pleasure as it appears you did in finding a downside for the Rationals.



Who says I have only found one? C'mon, I'm sure you are not so arrogant as to think there is only one, hehe. :D (Yea, that was another hit, in case someone missed it, hehe.) It's only cuz I love you so much, I promise. ;) This is gonna hurt me more than it hurts you? hahaha, or not.
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Re: The Question of Inheritance: Nature and Nurture

Postby christina on Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:44 pm

hmmmmmmmmm, as usual, Christina is sitting quietly by herself....not saying a darn thing :x ....she rolls to sitting position on the couch...grunts, burps, farts,....clears throat...


HI EVERBODY!


:D . Don't really have anything to add, I can offer comments :roll: . Take suggestions at heart, but never be swayed....

EXAMPLE:
I intend on having as many positive adult influences for my (future) child. Especially since I can't offer what the other types offer....even if I am a Salamander. That being said, I have to be true to my style of doing things. Hopefully, the kid will get the best of both worlds...Gaurdian/Rational/Artisan/Idealist upbringing....




My husband (Rational, Planner) and I discuss back and forth about exposure to negative roles models.He says yes, I say no. He thinks it's a excellent life lesson. I'd rather shield my babies! ahahahahha
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Re: The Question of Inheritance: Nature and Nurture

Postby Quinta on Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:23 am

Christina wrote:
EXAMPLE:
I intend on having as many positive adult influences for my (future) child. Especially since I can't offer what the other types offer.... . That being said, I have to be true to my style of doing things. Hopefully, the kid will get the best of both worlds...Gaurdian/Rational/Artisan/Idealist upbringing....




I have thinking that way: Looking at what my husband and I have to offer, and then what they may better learn from others. If I see that others have been better at helping them learn a life skill or being supportive in some way, I have tried to support a good connection.

I haven't been all that good at maintaining rapport with them, thinking that there would be alienating conflict areas as they develop and find their own way.

Through all this, I have been missing better contact with them at times, as I love them dearly too. Now they have moved out of town. They prefer my mother's homemaking skills over mine, so that determines the place where my youngest has chosen to celebrate her birthday with her loved ones this year.
. a mania for drawing the shapes of things.. published a universe of designs.. all I have done before the the age of 70 is not .. At 90 I shall have cut my way deeply into the mystery of life .. At 110, everything I create.. will jump to life ..
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Re: The Question of Inheritance: Nature and Nurture

Postby jwetmore on Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:29 am

fuzzynavelnot21 wrote:Who says I have only found one?


In my post when I said "a downside" I meant "a" downside, not "the downside". Unlike shytiger I might have somewhat more than one foible. ;)

Thanks for caring enough to help me see through those blindspots, but be careful or you might trigger the Stunned Blocker mode, because I know that you know that I know that you know about countless foibles (and of course strengths) of the temeraments (including mine).
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