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I believe! I believe! I am a skeptic.

Postby keirsey on Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:42 am

Michael Shermer's TED Talk.

The Pattern Behind Self Deception

By the by, I just published Steve Montgomery's People Patterns on the Amazon Kindle Platform. I believe in People Patterns.
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Re: I believe! I believe! I am a skeptic.

Postby Quinta on Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:52 pm

Very interesting on the phenomenons of what's called schizophrenia.

Also interesting when it comes to temperaments, brain functions and tendencies to be credulous.

Disgusting rather than funny in the end. Not my sense of humor.
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Re: I believe! I believe! I am a skeptic.

Postby Goodrum on Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:53 pm

Disgusting rather than funny in the end. Not my sense of humor


Ditto, +1.

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1. The earlier part, although remains interesting, is old news, kind of has become Shermer-rehash.

2. The latter, his; "bringing together" minute and a half...was a new low for TED. "Shermer the Tool"-rehashing crap example.

Obviously tickles him, why give him further airtime :?
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Re: I believe! I believe! I am a skeptic.

Postby stellarrenegade on Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:34 pm

What was the big deal? They kissed a couple apes, it's not like they're gonna get a disease from it or anything. I thought it was hilarious.

As for the part of the brain experiencing supernatural phenomena, I believe it's just an interface for those types of things, that in no way negates their reality.
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Re: I believe! I believe! I am a skeptic.

Postby Goodrum on Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:16 pm

stellarrenegade wrote:What was the big deal? They kissed a couple apes, it's not like they're gonna get a disease from it or anything. I thought it was hilarious.


Yes, of course.

How dour and sour of me!

As long as some of us got a laugh, most important thing in life. It was, after all, in fun, jesting, little bit of duping. I don't know why he didn't grab the youtube of the girl enticed off with her boyfriend and his friend, just having some fun, that's what they told her. Stripped her, urinated on her, filmed the lot, and then set her hair on fire, they thought it hilarious!

Her belief was she trusted her boyfriend, his friends. They were off for a walk in the park, a bit of a cuddle.

For future reference folks, kissing chimps, (any animals actually, is unwise):

http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/wildlife_n ... iness.html

The Threat of Disease

In addition to the threat of physical injury from nonhuman primates, the animals also carry a number of zoonotic diseases—those that can be transmitted from animals to humans—such as Herpes B, monkeypox, salmonella, shigella, Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV), tuberculosis, yellow fever, and the Marburg virus. In Africa, gorilla and chimpanzee carcasses in the bushmeat trade have tested positive for Ebola, one of the most lethal viruses in the world.

While employees at zoos, sanctuaries, and research institutions are specially trained to minimize the health risks associated with working with primates, the average pet owner is ill-equipped to prevent the spread of highly serious diseases.

For example, most macaque monkeys naturally carry the deadly Herpes B virus, which can be transmitted to humans through scratches, bites, and body fluids. Infected monkeys usually show few symptoms. But in humans, the infection can result in encephalomyelitis, from which an estimated 70% of untreated patients die. In 1997 a worker at a primate center whose eye was splashed with body fluids from a macaque died from a B virus infection


Hilarious! :D

The attack at the California facility is just one example of how dangerous these animals can be. As infants, nonhuman primates may appear cooperative and easy to handle, but they inevitably grow larger, stronger, and more aggressive. They can easily overpower larger human beings. Gentle one minute, they may lash out suddenly when frightened or frustrated.

Biting and scratching are natural behaviors for these animals, and their large teeth can inflict serious injury. Once they're past adolescence, primates are difficult for even professional trainers to control. Apes used in the entertainment industry—like Ollie and Buddy, the teenage chimps who attacked the Davises—are routinely "retired" at about 8 years old.


I have seen a chimp handler's finger nearly severed, his belief was he knew what he was doing, had experience and knowledge to back that up, years of experience. I am, however, more than a little skeptical...my bad, huh.

The young women were fortunate they never had an injury, but we don't even know that, do we, it's only ourbelief it was all okay, just fun, all safetly monitored..

In Australia we have some good, bush terminology for folks that conduct fun and games like in the footage, and for those that give it airtime and laugh about it...no offence meant, it's just in fun!
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Re: I believe! I believe! I am a skeptic.

Postby stellarrenegade on Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:21 pm

Goodrum wrote:I don't know why he didn't grab the youtube of the girl enticed off with her boyfriend and his friend, just having some fun, that's what they told her. Stripped her, urinated on her, filmed the lot, and then set her hair on fire, they thought it hilarious!

Her belief was she trusted her boyfriend, his friends. They were off for a walk in the park, a bit of a cuddle.

What are you talking about? That would've just been morbid. :?

Goodrum wrote:For future reference folks, kissing chimps, (any animals actually, is unwise):

http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/wildlife_n ... iness.html

The Threat of Disease

In addition to the threat of physical injury from nonhuman primates, the animals also carry a number of zoonotic diseases—those that can be transmitted from animals to humans—such as Herpes B, monkeypox, salmonella, shigella, Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV), tuberculosis, yellow fever, and the Marburg virus. In Africa, gorilla and chimpanzee carcasses in the bushmeat trade have tested positive for Ebola, one of the most lethal viruses in the world.

While employees at zoos, sanctuaries, and research institutions are specially trained to minimize the health risks associated with working with primates, the average pet owner is ill-equipped to prevent the spread of highly serious diseases.

For example, most macaque monkeys naturally carry the deadly Herpes B virus, which can be transmitted to humans through scratches, bites, and body fluids. Infected monkeys usually show few symptoms. But in humans, the infection can result in encephalomyelitis, from which an estimated 70% of untreated patients die. In 1997 a worker at a primate center whose eye was splashed with body fluids from a macaque died from a B virus infection


Hilarious! :D

The attack at the California facility is just one example of how dangerous these animals can be. As infants, nonhuman primates may appear cooperative and easy to handle, but they inevitably grow larger, stronger, and more aggressive. They can easily overpower larger human beings. Gentle one minute, they may lash out suddenly when frightened or frustrated.

Biting and scratching are natural behaviors for these animals, and their large teeth can inflict serious injury. Once they're past adolescence, primates are difficult for even professional trainers to control. Apes used in the entertainment industry—like Ollie and Buddy, the teenage chimps who attacked the Davises—are routinely "retired" at about 8 years old.


I have seen a chimp handler's finger nearly severed, his belief was he knew what he was doing, had experience and knowledge to back that up, years of experience. I am, however, more than a little skeptical...my bad, huh.

The young women were fortunate they never had an injury, but we don't even know that, do we, it's only ourbelief it was all okay, just fun, all safetly monitored..

Well I didn't know that, now did I? I'm sorry I don't have as much experience as you in dealing with chimps, that's no reason to get up on a pedestal about it like I'm some morally inferior being to you. :evil:

Goodrum wrote:In Australia we have some good, bush terminology for folks that conduct fun and games like in the footage, and for those that give it airtime and laugh about it...no offence meant, it's just in fun!

"F-u-c-k-w-i-t-s"

Including Steve Irwin? The guy was nuts, yeah.
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Re: I believe! I believe! I am a skeptic.

Postby Goodrum on Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:54 pm

Well I didn't know that, now did I? I'm sorry I don't have as much experience as you in dealing with chimps, that's no reason to get up on a pedestal about it like I'm some morally inferior being to you.


No need to be sorry, nor feel morally inferior, it's all just a laugh. Fun and games. Just like the footage. A hoot. :D :mrgreen: >:Y!<
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Re: I believe! I believe! I am a skeptic.

Postby stellarrenegade on Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:35 pm

Goodrum wrote:
Well I didn't know that, now did I? I'm sorry I don't have as much experience as you in dealing with chimps, that's no reason to get up on a pedestal about it like I'm some morally inferior being to you.


No need to be sorry, nor feel morally inferior, it's all just a laugh. Fun and games. Just like the footage. A hoot. :D :mrgreen: >:Y!<

So, do you not want me to sense the sarcasm? :? Or are you just trying to let it go?

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Re: I believe! I believe! I am a skeptic.

Postby christina on Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:57 pm

Ditto on the video. Highly unethical. It's beyond words what some people find funny.



Aside from those kind words, the video doesn't necessarily "tie things up," as so much as it mocks other people.
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Re: I believe! I believe! I am a skeptic.

Postby Goodrum on Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:11 am

...and an apology for my name calling, I am capable of expressing my thoughts a bit better than that.
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